Jeri Ryan

[2takesfrakes]

Actors SHOULD stay in shape! They should want to. It only makes them more marketable and photogenic, there's every reason to. I mean ... why wouldn't you? You know? I'm not even a celebrity and keeping in good physical condition is a priority, with me.

 

[stardream]

Actors SHOULD stay in shape! They should want to. It only makes them more marketable and photogenic, there's every reason to. I mean ... why wouldn't you? You know? I'm not even a celebrity and keeping in good physical condition is a priority, with me.

Oh I agree. It just seems that there is much more emphasis on it NOW than there was even as recently as the 90s but maybe it stands out to me more because of the shows I happened to watch.

 

[Thomas Eugene]

So you are all saying I could only play the Captain's role in the next series if they decided to make the Captain deliberately fat?
Now I'm really devastated ... You've ruined my day ...

 

[locutus101]

Actors SHOULD stay in shape! They should want to. It only makes them more marketable and photogenic, there's every reason to. I mean ... why wouldn't you? You know? I'm not even a celebrity and keeping in good physical condition is a priority, with me.

I don't know. Where would you find actors to play fat guys?

 

[Mage]

Actors SHOULD stay in shape! They should want to. It only makes them more marketable and photogenic, there's every reason to. I mean ... why wouldn't you? You know? I'm not even a celebrity and keeping in good physical condition is a priority, with me.

It has to do woth with current standards. Back in the day, Shatner had a bit of a potbelly. So did Adam West. But, back then, that was not an issue, and considered normal. These days, men need to have a sixpack and women have flat hard stomachs and perky boobs. End of story. Except if you're chunky/chubby/fat. You can't be the actual hero. You're the plucky sidekick, or comic relief, or 'honest character with moral standards'. That's how Hollywood works today. Who knows what the standard will be 5 or 10 years from now?

 

[φ of π]

The captain could be a non-Human alien with a naturally larger body mass index.

 

[2takesfrakes]

In the movies, Captain Kirk, Scotty and Uhura are not only as ancient as The Guardian of Forever, but they're all active in Starfleet (!!!) whilst weighing 25 stone, apiece. How this is justified in-universe, I'm uncertain. Perhaps, these characters are meant to be much slimmer than they appear, on camera? For an actor, though, paunch may actually be useful in stretching wrinkles out and making them look smoother ... seemingly taking years off, despite the added girth.

 

[2takesfrakes]

I don't know. Where would you find actors to play fat guys?

They could stuff pillows under their shirts, perhaps? Or, if a more high-tech solution is warranted, there are those harnesses that actresses wear, when their character's supposed to be pregnant. Something similar could be employed for playing People of Size, generally. It could be filled with birdseed, perhaps, to give it that dimpled, cottage-cheese effect. And, of course, if a 2nd chin was required, a neck bladder could be spirit-gummed to an actor, to complete the effect. CGI could even be used, if allotted for, in the budget ...

 

[stardream]

Sean Astin was TOLD to gain thirty pounds for Lord of the Rings. In one pick up scene filmed after he lost the weight he was 'padded'.

 

[locutus101]

They could stuff pillows under their shirts, perhaps? Or, if a more high-tech solution is warranted, there are those harnesses that actresses wear, when their character's supposed to be pregnant. Something similar could be employed for playing People of Size, generally. It could be filled with birdseed, perhaps, to give it that dimpled, cottage-cheese effect. And, of course, if a 2nd chin was required, a neck bladder could be spirit-gummed to an actor, to complete the effect. CGI could even be used, if allotted for, in the budget ...

I am not convinced. Depardieu for example is fat and yet he is one of the greats. If you're gonna use cgi to make people look fat then why not use them as well to make them look thin and fit? Do you think the people you see in karate movies are really capable of doing what you see them doing on screen? No way! Most of the time they wouldn't stand ten seconds against a real champion. In the last Terminator, they put Schwarzenegger's young head on another guy's body!

 

[Ghislaine H. B. BRAEME]

About Mulgrew/Ryan's feud.

From The Fifty-Year Mission: The Next 25 Years: From The Next Generation to J. J. Abrams: The Complete, Uncensored, and Unauthorized Oral History of Star Trek

http://ds9vgrconfessions.tumblr.com/post/150138243405/frontier001-weve-known-for-over-a-year-that

If you watch on YT, the Las Vegas Convention 2015 (

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)), it became quite clear that their relationships had improved for the better.
-> I wouldn't say that, since last year, they are friends but well, they should be able to accept to share scenes together again!

 

[2takesfrakes]

Using CGI to subtract from someone's image seems to be a lot more work and more expensive, to me. A lot of rotoscoping and frame-by-frame repainting and so on. Whereas bloating an actor's appearance using CGI is most easily achieved. And like I've said before, when an actor is physically fit, he has much greater range. He can still play the fatty, or the old guy, or the alien, or whatever, just by adding all of these practical appliances, that don't have to be digitally added-in. When you've got an overweight actor, that's pretty much what you have.

Whilst CGI can offer some solutions, you have to ask yourself if the expense would be worth it. Perhaps the novelty of William Shatner in another STAR TREK movie would be worth it, but he'd insist on being in the picture, throughout. So body-doubles and other practical tricks would have to be employed to avoid spending more and more money on CG.

 

[locutus101]

Using CGI to subtract from someone's image seems to be a lot more work and more expensive, to me. A lot of rotoscoping and frame-by-frame repainting and so on. Whereas bloating an actor's appearance using CGI is most easily achieved. And like I've said before, when an actor is physically fit, he has much greater range. He can still play the fatty, or the old guy, or the alien, or whatever, just by adding all of these practical appliances, that don't have to be digitally added-in. When you've got an overweight actor, that's pretty much what you have.

Whilst CGI can offer some solutions, you have to ask yourself if the expense would be worth it. Perhaps the novelty of William Shatner in another STAR TREK movie would be worth it, but he'd insist on being in the picture, throughout. So body-doubles and other practical tricks would have to be employed to avoid spending more and more money on CG.

You can always tell when someone is padded, people who are used to be fat move in ways that can't be imitated by people who are fit. If you go for something cheap and low quality then anything goes. If you want something genuine that people will believe in then you need the real McCoy.

 

[2takesfrakes]

There are several People of Size in Hollywood, who are staples in entertainment and it should be like that. As you say, sometimes, it's just easier and more authentic to go with the Real approach. But I'm reminded, also, of a movie of which I've only seen parts of, where there's this gentleman who - like most guys - has an eye for the smokin' hotties! And, with the help of a magic spell, ends up falling for a woman of size, whom he sees as being very fit and attractive. Anyway ... the actress ended up using all of this padding and so forth and - from what I saw, at any rate - she was sufficiently convincing. Despite the limitations of using padding, the effect got the story told ...

 

[locutus101]

There are several People of Size in Hollywood, who are staples in entertainment and it should be like that. As you say, sometimes, it's just easier and more authentic to go with the Real approach. But I'm reminded, also, of a movie of which I've only seen parts of, where there's this gentleman who - like most guys - has an eye for the smokin' hotties! And, with the help of a magic spell, ends up falling for a woman of size, whom he sees as being very fit and attractive. Anyway ... the actress ended up using all of this padding and so forth and - from what I saw, at any rate - she was sufficiently convincing. Despite the limitations of using padding, the effect got the story told ...

I don't know. Say you want to tell the story of Alfred Hitchcock, do you think you could make a masterpiece or even an Oscar winning film using a padded actor?

 

[2takesfrakes]

I tell you true:

THE ELEPHANT MAN has already been presented on (and off) Broadway for aeons, presenting the titular character without - OK? - withOUT prosthetics of any kind. The actor playing him comes out onstage, appearing as himself, whilst the characters in the play act as though he's a malformed freak who strikes terror into the hearts of all that behold him, as he wanders through the misty, cobblestone streets of 19th Century London ...

http://elephantmanlondon.com/

So, I'm confident that I could even make an Award-Winning rendition of Alfred Hitchcock's biography, without using an overweight actor playing him, or the need for any padding upon his person. Audiences are more sophisticated than we often give them credit for ...

 

[locutus101]

I tell you true:

THE ELEPHANT MAN has already been presented on (and off) Broadway for aeons, presenting the titular character without - OK? - withOUT prosthetics of any kind. The actor playing him comes out onstage, appearing as himself, whilst the characters in the play act as though he's a malformed freak who strikes terror into the hearts of all that behold him, as he wanders through the misty, cobblestone streets of 19th Century London ...

http://elephantmanlondon.com/

So, I'm confident that I could even make an Award-Winning rendition of Alfred Hitchcock's biography, without using an overweight actor playing him, or the need for any padding upon his person. Audiences are more sophisticated than we often give them credit for ...

I don't think Laurel and Hardy would have been as successful if they were both thin or both fat.

 

[In_Correct]

I am watching every episode of Star Trek Voyager for the first time. During the third season I had gotten used to Kes. She even is wearing a uniform similar to Seven Of Nine.

But then Season 4 Kes leaves. And she leaves very nicely. She was able to move Voyager to safety and bring them closer to home. If Harry left, then he would have been killed off very slowly and painfully.

After watching some of the Season 4 episodes I don't see how Kes could have stayed on board without turning into Deanna Troi. I remember some episodes would have been prevented if Kes was there with her telepathic abilities. It is doubtful that Neelix would need Nanoprobes. And Kes would have been more successful in restoring Seven's memories in the episode where Seven attacked that man because she thought he tied her up. And in the episode "One" where Seven was the only one immune to the nebula (The Doctor eventually went offline) Kes probably would have been immune as well. And that is yet another episode that would have never happened if Kes was still around.

So I don't see how Kes could have remained a character, unless her unique abilities weren't so powerful. They are almost as powerful as Q's. I keep speculating if The Ocampa develop their powers, then they don't actually die after 9 years. ... They transform into a different type of life. Of course the episode "Fury" is completely different.

 

[locutus101]

I am watching every episode of Star Trek Voyager for the first time. During the third season I had gotten used to Kes. She even is wearing a uniform similar to Seven Of Nine.

But then Season 4 Kes leaves. And she leaves very nicely. She was able to move Voyager to safety and bring them closer to home. If Harry left, then he would have been killed off very slowly and painfully.

After watching some of the Season 4 episodes I don't see how Kes could have stayed on board without turning into Deanna Troi. I remember some episodes would have been prevented if Kes was there with her telepathic abilities. It is doubtful that Neelix would need Nanoprobes. And Kes would have been more successful in restoring Seven's memories in the episode where Seven attacked that man because she thought he tied her up. And in the episode "One" where Seven was the only one immune to the nebula (The Doctor eventually went offline) Kes probably would have been immune as well. And that is yet another episode that would have never happened if Kes was still around.

So I don't see how Kes could have remained a character, unless her unique abilities weren't so powerful. They are almost as powerful as Q's. I keep speculating if The Ocampa develop their powers, then they don't actually die after 9 years. ... They transform into a different type of life. Of course the episode "Fury" is completely different.

If Harry had left the ship instead of Kes, Fury would have been a completely different story.

 

[Thomas Eugene]

I am watching every episode of Star Trek Voyager for the first time. During the third season I had gotten used to Kes. She even is wearing a uniform similar to Seven Of Nine.

But then Season 4 Kes leaves. And she leaves very nicely. She was able to move Voyager to safety and bring them closer to home. If Harry left, then he would have been killed off very slowly and painfully.

After watching some of the Season 4 episodes I don't see how Kes could have stayed on board without turning into Deanna Troi. I remember some episodes would have been prevented if Kes was there with her telepathic abilities. It is doubtful that Neelix would need Nanoprobes. And Kes would have been more successful in restoring Seven's memories in the episode where Seven attacked that man because she thought he tied her up. And in the episode "One" where Seven was the only one immune to the nebula (The Doctor eventually went offline) Kes probably would have been immune as well. And that is yet another episode that would have never happened if Kes was still around.

So I don't see how Kes could have remained a character, unless her unique abilities weren't so powerful. They are almost as powerful as Q's. I keep speculating if The Ocampa develop their powers, then they don't actually die after 9 years. ... They transform into a different type of life. Of course the episode "Fury" is completely different.

Simple. If TPTB hadn't decided to axe Kes, we would have got very different stories and a different Kes character.
THE GIFT in the first place was created in the last moment only to give her a send-off. If they had decided to keep her, it would never have come to that episode and the Ocampa girl would have been developed in a completely different way.