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i hated the gore, but he dying made sense in 7’s character’s arc, so ok.

that was awful and pointless.

it was mentioned a few times that ancient Ocampa lived decades. Unfortunately both Kes and the Ocampa ended up being underdeveloped.

Killing of Icheb that way didn't make any sense at all and I can't see what did it so necessary for Seven's character arc.

With that said, I must add that I find Seven's appearance in Picard the high spot of the show. She's excellent there.

I totally agree about your opinion about that episode in season 6 of Voyager. it was awful and pointless. I also want to add the word insulting as well.

Yes! The ancient Ocampa lived for decades so her lifespan could and should have been prolonged!
No problem, especially not for me when I write a story. :techman:
 
Icheb certainly deserved better, especially as the only Delta Quadrant native to make it back to the Alpha Quadrant (all the others left the ship at various points in time). But at least his killer was brought to justice, or at least rendered unable to do further harm.
 
To be clear, I wasn't thinking 'let's kill Kes'. I actually like it that she was last seen alive (both times!). And I genuinely do find what was done in season 6 insolent. I mean, that was a live lung donor they defamed! And I don't like the implicit idea that old age is a tragedy. What I like about the concept of a short lifer is the 'compressed' life, the chance to observe an entire life, and to put ourselves in the 'long lived alien' position.

But, such a story doesn't 'write itself'. It is very hard to do well. So far, Star Trek has usually followed the path of playing any new concept for maximum drama, even horror (Berman and Braga were big horror fans). So, when Kes left, and later put on another appearance, the priority was to make it dramatic, even disturbing. That might enhance some characters, but it was never the appeal of Kes to me. Indeed, I never really liked the mental powers! For a better way of saying goodbye to loved character, see The Orville's 'Home'. I don't know if the writers on Prodigy are that good, but if they are on the ball with why kids like this stuff, without dumbing it down, we could get some great storylines.
Icheb certainly deserved better, especially as the only Delta Quadrant native to make it back to the Alpha Quadrant (all the others left the ship at various points in time). But at least his killer was brought to justice, or at least rendered unable to do further harm.

Good point, I hadn't thought of that. I think there was a lot in what they chose to emphasise, which actually has a significant bearing on the appeal of any story. They did say that Icheb had actually had a promising Starfleet career. Now, I would have shown it, possibly in the form of flashbacks by Seven, making her look sad for no apparent reason, then revealing how he died (and Seven's motivation) as she confronts the killer. Now, that would have been an engaging, if sad, story. Instead, they opted for shock alone.
 
It's horrific from start to finish. Horrific when he gets mutilated, horrific when 7 is forced to finish him off, and even horrific when the woman responsible gets splattered all over the room like a Jackson Pollock painting.
 
The difference is that Sim and the Jem'Hadar were gebetically created. The Ocampa are not.
We don’t know they weren’t manipulated genetically at some point, though, be it by the caretaker or by their ancestors.

Killing of Icheb that way didn't make any sense at all and I can't see what did it so necessary for Seven's character arc.
it turned her into a much more cynical person and her eventual murder of the responsible individual is a understandable consequence.

I totally agree about your opinion about that episode in season 6 of Voyager. it was awful and pointless. I also want to add the word insulting as well.
I sure felt insulted watching it!

It's horrific from start to finish. Horrific when he gets mutilated, horrific when 7 is forced to finish him off, and even horrific when the woman responsible gets splattered all over the room like a Jackson Pollock painting.
Totally agree. But in context it serves a purpose.
 
I thought she was vaporized by these phaser guns?

That was the closest we've gotten to realistic "person being vaporized" effects. In TOS, they just turned white and disappear. In the TNG era, they just erase, like being wiped off a whiteboard. But in the modern era, they actually react like a soft water-based target being obliterated by a massive charge of energy: they essentially splatter. Kind of like Evil Odo in "Crossover".
 
i hated the gore, but he dying made sense in 7’s character’s arc, so ok.

Poor fridged Icheb.

The difference is that Sim and the Jem'Hadar were genetically created. The Ocampa are not.

I've always thought that the Caretaker and his mate must have really messed them up. Not just their environment, but the Ocompa themselves. Their life cycle makes no sense. They only live for a decade, can only give birth once, to one offspring, at one very specific time in their lives...even if every female Ocompa manages to give birth during that time, the population would be halved every generation. I'm assuming that whatever he did to Torres and Kim was part of an attempt to undo whatever he did to the Ocompas genetics.
 
We have cultures that average more kids than the Ocampans that are shrinking themselves out of existence. It's our peculiar "two children, ideal family" notion (about the only time you're going to see a family with 3+ children in an advertisement is when the product being advertised is a minivan). That only works if you have 100.0% of your women have those two children. When a couple stops at one kid or does without, when a woman is infertile, or when a child dies, we lose ground.

Given that an Ocampan generation (defined as birth to reproduction) is only about 4 years, compared to our 25 or so, they should shrink much faster. Maybe the Caretaker had a cloning lab somewhere...
 
Given that an Ocampan generation (defined as birth to reproduction) is only about 4 years, compared to our 25 or so, they should shrink much faster. Maybe the Caretaker had a cloning lab somewhere...

Maybe they were originally a thriving people in the billions and now the one vast underground complex is all that's left. When he was trying to leave them with enough energy to keep the complex running, he may have only meant for 40 or 50 years or so...until they die out.
 
That would at least provide an explanation for Voyager's writers' sloppiness.

Given that Ocampan genes seem to be dominant, maybe that's how they propagate: marry non-Ocampans. Like Kes and Linnis in "Before and After".
 
Killing of Icheb that way didn't make any sense at all and I can't see what did it so necessary for Seven's character arc.
They wanted a bitter Seven out for revenge. That's the perfect way to get there.

And let's not forget how... probelmatic... Manu Intiraymi has become since Voyager. There's a reason he returned in a fan film and the role was recast for Picard.
 
They wanted a bitter Seven out for revenge. That's the perfect way to get there.

And let's not forget how... probelmatic... Manu Intiraymi has become since Voyager. There's a reason he returned in a fan film and the role was recast for Picard.
Well, there you have the problem!

They wanted a doom-and-gloom series with doom-and-gloom characters and that's the problem with the whole Picard series.
 
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