James Kirk in "Discovery"?

[zar]

It goes without saying that he (Sybok/Michael) has to have gotten a sex change, race change, and species change, since he's constantly referred to as Vulcan, maybe to the point of an Ash Tyler-esque surgery.

Or maybe not exactly a surgery. Maybe (brace yourself, this might hurt)...

Spoiler

Michael discovers mind transfer technology, and to hide from her past, steals the identity of an innocent scientist named Janice Lester. All she has ever wanted was to command her own starship and get close to Spock. After the Kirk operation failed, she transferred to Sybok for a second attempt. Spock was the only one who knew the truth.

Can this theory get any worse?

 

[Burning Hearts of Qo'nos]

The "Sybok is Michael" theory is silly, but I'll entertain it for a moment. Here's the relevant exchange from Star Trek V (via Chakoteya):

What the heck, is this a thing? I thought shipping Michael and Spock together was bad enough, lol.

EDIT: Scrolled up, got a good laugh.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Kirk is one of the last people I'd ever expect to be involved with Section 31. Even young Lieutenant Kirk of the DSC era.

Pretty sure Shatner/Judy and Garfield Reeves-Stevens' Star Trek Academy: Collision Course had Cadet Kirk (and Pike) involved with S31, although I don't think he was truly aware of who was pulling the strings.

 

[Ronald Held]

Again, why is Kirk of any importance at this stage of his career, to even have his name dropped?

 

[Lord Garth]

Pretty sure Shatner/Judy and Garfield Reeves-Stevens' Star Trek Academy: Collision Course had Cadet Kirk (and Pike) involved with S31, although I don't think he was truly aware of who was pulling the strings.

"Spock, you want to know something? Everybody's part of Section 31."

 

[F. King Daniel]

Again, why is Kirk of any importance at this stage of his career, to even have his name dropped?

beCAusE pIKe SeEs grEaTNeSS iN hIM

 

[MakeshiftPython]

I don't need to see Michael Burnham save Kirks life and mould him into the captain he becomes, thankyou.

Ooooohhh, now I want that to happen! Give him a few pointers, correct him on stuff he's wrong about. Make him apologize to her needlessly. Show him the error of his ways. That he would have never made an effective captain without Burnham showing him the ropes.

I'm only half kidding of course, but I always get a kick out of the outrageous reactions by the alt-right contingent of fans, like how they perceived Connolly dying because the show is trying to put down white straight males. It's delicious.

 

[Burning Hearts of Qo'nos]

Ooooohhh, now I want that to happen! Give him a few pointers, correct him on stuff he's wrong about. Make him apologize to her needlessly. Show him the error of his ways. That he would have never made an effective captain without Burnham showing him the ropes.

I'm only half kidding of course, but I always get a kick out of the outrageous reactions by the alt-right contingent of fans, like how they perceived Connolly dying because the show is trying to put down white straight males. It's delicious.

They really amped up the little things that drive those ppl crazy this season and I'm loving it. Every 'tiny male brains' or 'we call it persistence' I smile and wait for the next soon-to-be-closed thread to pop up.

 

[zar]

Again, why is Kirk of any importance at this stage of his career, to even have his name dropped?

I mean, there's a big gap between the awe-inspiring legend status he achieved, and being completely unremarkable. He was always supposed to be a bit larger than life, I think. By TOS he already has what seems to be an entire career's worth of medals, and apparently rose through the ranks while still in the academy.

 

[MakeshiftPython]

They really amped up the little things that drive those ppl crazy this season and I'm loving it. Every 'tiny male brains' or 'we call it persistence' I smile and wait for the next soon-to-be-closed thread to pop up.

It would be fun to take certain pieces of TOS but gender swap, like men becoming instantly frightened in an exaggerated way as we had to see Uhura do. Have a dire moment take place where Kirk has to tell Burnham "Commander... I'm frightened".

 

[Burning Hearts of Qo'nos]

On the topic of gender-swapping, I'd love to see Tig Notaro as Chekov.

Or perhaps an episode where they're transporting to a planet below and Michael is left on the transporter pad yelling in agony, "THE MEN!!!!!!!"

 

[Cyrus]

DS9 was pretty obviously the most fanwanky of the Trek series overall. In addition to what you mentioned, remember that Kira was originally supposed to be Ro. They made attempts to bring back many TNG characters - some of which failed (Q, the Duras sisters, Tom Riker) and some of which became recurring (Gowron, Lwaxana). Most fundamentally, everything in the show - minus the Prophets, the wormhole, and the Dominion - was just deepening existing Trek lore, from the Cardassian occupation of Bejor, to the Maquis, to the Ferengi.

The character of Ro, planet Bajor and its occupation by Cardassians were all created for DS9. That's why Rick Berman gets story credit for TNG's "Ensign Ro" episode. Berman and Piller had already started working on DS9 and used TNG episodes to set up backstories for DS9.

 

[DaveyNY]

On the topic of gender-swapping, I'd love to see Tig Notaro as Chekov.

Or perhaps an episode where they're transporting to a planet below and Michael is left on the transporter pad yelling in agony, "THE MEN!!!!!!!"

TAS essentially did an episode when the men pretty much became superfluous...
"The Lorelei Signal"
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/The_Lorelei_Signal_(episode)

And to some degree the TOS episode "Spock's Brain" ...

 

[Burning Hearts of Qo'nos]

TAS essentially did an episode when the men pretty much became superfluous...
"The Lorelei Signal"
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/The_Lorelei_Signal_(episode)

And to some degree the TOS episode "Spock's Brain" ...

Man, I really gotta watch all of TAS. On that note, I've seen the first two episodes on Netflix, and goodness, the remaster looks GREAT! Despite being a crude back-in-the-day show, the background art and character models hold up really well. I specifically want to watch all the episodes everyone cites when in reference to things in DSC like the rec room not-holodeck.

 

[fireproof78]

Again, why is Kirk of any importance at this stage of his career, to even have his name dropped?

It is only important to the audience, just like the Enterprise, Pike, Spock and the like.

 

[Nerys Myk]

He was a stack of books with legs. People noticed.

 

[WarpFactorZ]

Sarek's first wife was from Earth, according to his eponymous TNG episode. So, he either wasn't married to Sybok's mother, or he married another human far earlier than Amanda, possibly in the late 22nd century or so. Or Picard was wrong when he said that. Or the Vulcan princess was from Earth.

Sarek is essentially the Vulcan equivalent of a deadbeat dad. So, it stands to reason he was sneaking around behind Amanda's back.... because it was the logical thing to do.

 

[WarpFactorZ]

Yes, we're also suppose to see the planet Talos as well.

OK, I figured it out. Spock murders a bunch of doctors, but then transports the corpses to Talos IV so that they can live again.

THE KEEPER: "The dead doctors have an illusion, and you have reality. May you find your way as pleasant.... AGAIN!..." [Mental eyeroll]

Spock exonerated. Cue credits....

... I'll see myself out.

 

[Tuskin38]

Has this been stated officially

Yes

 

[Infern0]

Ooooohhh, now I want that to happen! Give him a few pointers, correct him on stuff he's wrong about. Make him apologize to her needlessly. Show him the error of his ways. That he would have never made an effective captain without Burnham showing him the ropes.

I'm only half kidding of course, but I always get a kick out of the outrageous reactions by the alt-right contingent of fans, like how they perceived Connolly dying because the show is trying to put down white straight males. It's delicious.

Are we branding people as "alt-right" now because they aren't particularly a fan of ONE character?

I consider myself as center-left in my views (a political leaning which is dying out in the face of two extremes, because nobody is allowed to be moderate in their views anymore, goddamnit)

I wasn't a fan of Connolly and don't care that he's gone. But the trolling of people with different views really needs to stop on this forum. I don't care which side it is that's doing it, have a civil discussion or stop talking, because it's just as tiresome and eye-rolling seeing trolling from the far left as it is the alt-right.

Sigh