I was responding to Matthew Raymond not to you. If you or anyone don't like what's posted please don't read what I'd written.
JAMES CAWLEY SPEAKS!
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Because CBS is evil.
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Where on earth do I say that I don't like what you've written. All I said was that it would benefit you to actually read the responses on this thread, since you have now twice suggested that CBS would sue a fan film on the basis of exceeding the time limits. In case you need a reminder of your own words:
However, it gets worse than that, since @Professor Zoom's post was in direct response to your own. Didn't you even read that? He even quoted your original post in his answer! Here it is again:
So, for the third (and hopefully final time):
CBS WILL NOT SUE YOU ON THE GROUNDS OF MAKING A FAN FILM OVER 15 MINUTES LONG
Hope that is clear
The concept that there's some indeterminate legal risk in making fan films, and that the risk increases by an indeterminate amount if you violate some Guidelines that some people have already violated and not got punished for? And following the Guidelines, the thing that's supposed to protect you from being sued, has no legal relevance in court if you get sued. Yeah, simple.
So you're basically admitting that your end of the discussion isn't based on reason and logic?You realize that real people in real life don't give two shits about the debate club rules that get bandied about on here, right? Seriously, right?
If he's planning on making a 501(3)(c) first, whouldn't it be a bad idea for him to rush into fundraising before he's received non-profit status?
When you see me quote one of your messages, and then put words immediately under the quote, you may safely assume I'm responding to your quoted text.
Again, complete failure to identify the metaphorical dead horse. I don't think it's me who's repeating the same argument over and over.
Perhaps, if you didn't want to talk about the Guidelines, you should have chosen a thread that wasn't started by quoting Jame Cawley's comments on the Guidelines. It's like telling someone on this BBS not to talk about Star Trek because they're "beating a dead hourse".
Really? Oh, I should go back and reread that message then:
Although I wouldn't personally do that for reasons of legal liability, I must admit that I'd watch it if it got made. However, I can't advise you to do something I wouldn't do myself. Instead, I would indeed advise you to create a film that has the same general plot and characters, but a different setting that doesn't depend on CBS IP. In fact, if you need help with that, I would be happy to lend a hand. There's also The WorldsWeb Universe group. (Although there's some indication that they're kinda winding down, unfortunately, but it's worth a shot.) Here's their Wiki.
I would save your indignation. He can’t see your posts. As he said, you are on his ignore list.
If such a lawsuit is filed, the grounds will be on violation of copyright and so on.So, for the third (and hopefully final time):
CBS WILL NOT SUE YOU ON THE GROUNDS OF MAKING A FAN FILM OVER 15 MINUTES LONG
Hope that is clear
My assumption would be that before sending any kind of lawsuit, CBS would make a judgement on all the guidelines and if/how they were violated. If you're not crowdfunding significant money, and are basically following the other guidelines to the 'T'; I doubt you'd be risking much (not that I personally would take that risk).
You're best bet though would be to either make a completely independent film, one not related to Star Trek at all, or pull a Renegades and just don't call it Star Trek.
Ehk! It's not what I meant. Sorry, my remark was originally the response I made for Matthew, and then I fell into a small rant. I'm sorry.
What will happen to the existing studios who are harboring mock TOS sets, if there's possible legal liabilities?
"Just do it" meaning why not just get started on the filmmaking process, whatever that looks like. Why the need to speak for another person?
Good question. I would assume set redressing could resolve some issues. Depends on the set. I very much doubt that Renegades did significant (or perhaps even any) set modifications, although they might have removed some stuff using visual effects in post production. It all depends on how hard you want to lean into the setting (i.e. generic "Not-Trek" versus a serious effort to create your own setting). Even if you want to make your sets very distinct from Star Trek, you may not need to change the basic structure of the set itself. Changing paint, molding and lighting, and redressing the set in general, should suffice unless you want a total redesign of the set layout.
I think something akin to the Black Mirror episode "USS Callister" is a good example of a (legally) relatively safe, but still rather interesting, "Not-Trek" setting. Alternatively, you could contact the Renegades folks and ask if you can use their universe as a setting. If you do, let me know how that goes. I was originally thinking of doing that, but decided to do something else. There are a few other "file off the serial number" projects around too, but I don't know how active they are. Here's two: Anthology and Dark Isolation.
Assuming he's in preproduction, it wouldn't look like anything unless he publicly released the script and concept art, and waiting until after you've begun principle photography to pick a funding model for your film isn't the best idea I've ever heard.
@STEPhon IT, my apologies if you feel I've unfairly spoken on your behalf.Why the need to speak for another person?
You're making a lot of assumptions about my meaning.
Someone states they want to make a film-I encouraged them to do so. Let the particulars fall where they may.
@STEPhon IT, I would like to hear more about your film and offer suggestions. Please create a new thread so that such a discussion will be on topic. I'm pretty sure we were the only two people in this thread having a constructive dialogue anyway.
No worries. I may have ranted a little myself
A whole lot of arguing from folks who haven't made a Star Trek fan film...
Not really, but if this means the never-ending circular argument finally ends or moves to a thread I won't see due to the ignore feature, you have my sincere thanks.
I think, in summation, there're not going to be any further New Voyages releases if the Set Tour license precludes them, and even if it does not, until someone other than James associated with the production picks up the ball and carries it across the goal line. Since no one from NV has, to my knowledge, made a definitive statement as regards this matter, I'd say this topic has effectively turned into the NV equivalent of the old and unlamented "Whatever happened to Starship Exeter?" thread. Which means we're condemned to "are we there yet?" for the foreseeable eternity.
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@Maurice, basically, except I don't think he'd release anything regardless of what's in his Set Tour license. It seems to me that he feels the Guidelines definitively preclude further releases, and he's not willing to risk violating the Guidelines. I suspect he won't hand over the raw footage to anyone either, as it would basically make him complicit in any violation of the Guidelines that might happen as a result.
Now those two words are perfect.
Let's do this, shall we, please?
Any discussions about guidelines - make a new topic for 'em.
And let. This. Topic. Go.
After all, it is almost Passover.
Thank you in advance, and may also your matzohs be unleavened.
No problem. Just read my profile closer. It's the reason why I use my face next to my man.@STEPhon IT, my apologies if you feel I've unfairly spoken on your behalf.
Yeah, some STC fans can't stand an objective view on their beloved series which I still think it's the best trekfan production ever produced. I tell it like it is, I think the guidelines should be ignored if some productions don't follow them. If there are avenues to not be served then I would like to know; I'm think tanking a Trek project and I'm not following the 15 min statement. Not doing it!
A fanfilm thread would be enticing but I'm not interested in starting threads like that. There's a lot of threads out there on making one; I'll probably add something on Maurice's very informative threads on the topic when I'm ready. As for Mr. Cawley, I believe he should finish those projects he had filmed because there were a lot of sweat to make those projects. They should see the light of day.
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Well, I meant a thread on your specific fan film, but I understand if you don't want to discuss what you're planning publicly.
