Jake Sisko - Completely Unlikeable

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Deep Space Nine' started by spinagogue, Aug 22, 2017.

  1. Tosk

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    I'd argue against your logic but there's no need...I didn't have to watch Roddenberry as a series regular on a TV show.
     
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  2. DonIago

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    Never having met Roddenberry, I can't say how well I would or wouldn't have liked him...but if some of the stories I've heard are true, I think I'd have had some problems with the guy...

    I think I would have liked Jake Sisko more. :p
     
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  3. Bad Thoughts

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    He might have been sometimes nice to run into at parties, but some of the stories from 50 Year Mission about his workplace interactions while developing TNG (when he created Wesley) are cringey, to say the least.
     
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  4. mlbach

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    More cringey than sexual assault of a TOS cast member? Do tell...
     
  5. kkt

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    Maybe he can't live down to ALL the negative buzz in ALL the episodes... but he sure gives it his best shot. Not that I'm blaming Wheaton, it's the writers who got lazy.

    Okay, the one where he was a stunt pilot on the academy stunt flying team was pretty good.
     
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    and today I remember that episode more for the introduction of who would later be Tom Paris
     
  7. HugeLobes

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    That’s what I’m saying.
     
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  8. dupersuper

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    No, I do remember liking the first bit with exploding stars and Q playing cosmic hide & seek, then they turned the unknowable Q Continuum into a civil war reenactment and they lost me.
     
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  9. HugeLobes

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    I never really like showing Q without Picard, but that one went so bad in so many ways.
     
  10. Oddish

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    The hide and seek was in "Death Wish". This was Q's "puerile attempt at seduction."
     
  11. STEPhon IT

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    Having a young woman finding herself, fresh out of the academy then put in a sensational moment to save a lifeform and be merge into something new and later assigned to a war station was a lot. Jake having nothing do could've been a friend and guide to this new reality for Ezri who was a young officer despite some members who can't separate the character to the actor who played her. Actors are in the pretend role business; if an actor can play a younger character and does it well, kudos to her and Nicole did a good job. Unfortunately she was in the arena where the series was wrapping up and shacking up with Bashir was the decision and felt forced and not satisfying for me. The mention of the idea of Jake having a relationship with Ezri in this thread was a good one, and I'm glad someone was actually presenting ideas in making Jake interesting since he lacked such when the showrunners made him a writer.
     
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  12. Oddish

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    Kind of the point I was making. Ezri/Jake would have been daring, but they would have had to commit time to it, and the fallout with Ben coming to terms with it. The way Ezri/Bashir began, I get the sense that they knew the viewers by and large didn't give a tenth of a rat's arse about it. Hence the "start the turbolift ride agreeing to be friends, end it sucking face" crap.

    Every Trek series needs a pairing that's just a bad idea. TOS had Kirk/Carol. TNG had Worf/Troi. DS9, Bashir/Ezri. VOY, Chakotay/Seven. And ENT had the brief Archer/T'Pol bits.

    Active series, not ready to make any judgments.
     
  13. STEPhon IT

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    I'm sorry... Kirk/ Carol in TOS??? Nope. In TWOK, she wasn't a love interest but a woman he moved on from who happened to have a son with. In the movie, the two looked like friends but not ready to rekindle a relationship.
     
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    I am not sure which members you're talking about here, and I've got to say I'm not fond of the passive-aggressive technique of responding to members without identifying them and then saying something that may misstate their actual point of view.
     
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  15. DonIago

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    I still don't see how Ezri Dax would have felt comfortable striking up a relationship beyond friendship with Jake. Ezri Tigan, possibly.
     
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    I liked him fine in the beginning, even found him interesting. But he started to sort of act dickish around halfway through the series. I won't chant for his death, though,

    I know some found the turn started when he ran during siege but to me he was just a kid, and an inexperienced one. I feel that when it comes to children. a difference in civilians and the son of a SF captain there *isn't* going to be much difference unless he were to specifically groomed. He revealed to not to have had an interest in being in Star Fleet. So maybe he wasn't paying attention enough so its really not surprising. Being as young as he was he would not have had the experience in a war scenario because Star Fleet was used to having it relatively "nice."
     
  17. STEPhon IT

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    The problems with Jake happened when his goals shifted to being a writer; imagine the stories these showrunners could tell when this field mimics their profession. I guess their lives were just as stale as the character they awfully handled.
     
  18. DonIago

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    I'm not sure what 'problems' you're referring to beyond him potentially being underutilized.
     
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  19. HugeLobes

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    I feel like the showrunners of DS9 probably had more interesting lives than anyone I've ever known, so maybe they just felt the writer thing worked to give some dimension to Jake's character without letting his profession overpower his main role in the show (Sisko's son), and it wasn't just some horrible botched opportunity they never revisited?

    Not sure how his field would even mimic their profession that closely. I get that you didn't like the direction they went with Jake, but he's generally a well-received character. It feels like a stretch to call him 'awfully handled'.
     
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  20. Bad Thoughts

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    What were his ambitions before turning to writing?