What's trolling about that question? I for one think Gene would have loved having Terry on his shlong. I know I would have. 
Jadzia Dax YES OR NO ?
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Did I say trolling? I meant spamming. And now you're all just being predictable and boring. Now THAT'S trolling!What's trolling about that question? I for one think Gene would have loved having Terry on his shlong. I know I would have.
Exactly, I couldn't stand Jadzia's ego! At least the terraformer openly admitted he was vain and pretentious. Jadzia never admitted she was, even though it was painfully obvious.
Again, more of her ego. If it worked for her, she would deny her "Trill-ness." If it worked for her, she would throw that "Trill-ness" is anyone's face.
OMG, thank you! I thought I was the only one who got really sick and tired of this. It's even worse when Ezri tells Bashir that if Worf hadn't come along, Jadzia would have chosen Bashir to be with. That means she was just stringing him along all that time and making his life miserable, just because she liked playing ultra hard to get and enjoyed hurting him.
I would also add that I hated how she flat out ridiculed Sisko for his religious beliefs in The Reckoning, simply because she didn't share them.
Did I say trolling? I meant spamming. And now you're all just being predictable and boring. Now THAT'S trolling!What's trolling about that question? I for one think Gene would have loved having Terry on his shlong. I know I would have.
You're not a mod. You don't get to decide who is trolling and who is spamming. Now either notify the mods or get over yourself but whatever you do stop playing net cop.
I have nothing against her. The character and acting were fine for who the character was supposed to be. My wife likes her and Odo the most, while I prefer Odo and Garak the most.
Of course she'd seem full of herself, monotone and sure of just about everything.... she did live like, how many lives?
During the series, she did solve many key problems, thought of many important solutions, was involved in many key stories and characters, and some episodes did involve around some moral issues and decision making geared towards her, much like other characters in the show.
If anything, she's like Kirk to TOS, Riker to TNG and Paris to Voy..... AKA: The good looking, charming, sexually active, smart ass...... every series needed one, and she was it for DS9.
Also, her character and development seemed geared to put the viewer in a conflict. The viewer after a while gets used to certain characters being a certain way. While Jadzia had a few episodes revolving around her questioning her worthiness of being a host and being drummed out of the qualifications, she was a confident, spirited individual that knew how to get along with just about everybody...... then comes Ezri who's completely unsure of herself, more then Jadzia ever was, doesn't know her role, doesn't know her place, and has no clue how to make friends and fill the shoes of Jadzia, meanwhile dealing with Jadzia's friends trying to adapt to Ezri being around now.
I think considering the shift DS9 took from season one through to season seven, Jadzia's place in the story line did begin to shift out of perspective, as things shifted from discovery and science, to war and what it does to people..... thus Ezri came into the spotlight and helping people deal with their issues during the war with the Dominion, helped expand the storyline a bit more solidly then if Jadzia remained.
Of course she'd seem full of herself, monotone and sure of just about everything.... she did live like, how many lives?
During the series, she did solve many key problems, thought of many important solutions, was involved in many key stories and characters, and some episodes did involve around some moral issues and decision making geared towards her, much like other characters in the show.
If anything, she's like Kirk to TOS, Riker to TNG and Paris to Voy..... AKA: The good looking, charming, sexually active, smart ass...... every series needed one, and she was it for DS9.
Also, her character and development seemed geared to put the viewer in a conflict. The viewer after a while gets used to certain characters being a certain way. While Jadzia had a few episodes revolving around her questioning her worthiness of being a host and being drummed out of the qualifications, she was a confident, spirited individual that knew how to get along with just about everybody...... then comes Ezri who's completely unsure of herself, more then Jadzia ever was, doesn't know her role, doesn't know her place, and has no clue how to make friends and fill the shoes of Jadzia, meanwhile dealing with Jadzia's friends trying to adapt to Ezri being around now.
I think considering the shift DS9 took from season one through to season seven, Jadzia's place in the story line did begin to shift out of perspective, as things shifted from discovery and science, to war and what it does to people..... thus Ezri came into the spotlight and helping people deal with their issues during the war with the Dominion, helped expand the storyline a bit more solidly then if Jadzia remained.
I actually liked Jadzia Dax and Terry Farrell a lot. I thought that her transition from a science officer to more of a combat field officer was in keeping with her being able to draw upon her centuries of experiences as a joined Trill.
The only thing I really didn't like about Jadzia was her relationship with Worf. I know as someone who had lots of experiences with Klingons, Jadzia was the obvious choice for Worf--but there was always this part of me that wished that Jadzia had actually hooked up with Sisko. But once Kassidy arrived, that was the end of that thought...
The only thing I really didn't like about Jadzia was her relationship with Worf. I know as someone who had lots of experiences with Klingons, Jadzia was the obvious choice for Worf--but there was always this part of me that wished that Jadzia had actually hooked up with Sisko. But once Kassidy arrived, that was the end of that thought...
You don't think that would have been weird since, you know...Sisko always thought of his old man mentor friend whenever he talked to Jadzia? 
Even when she hit on him in a completely comedic way in "Fascination" and actually had sex with him (off screen) in one of those Mirror universe episodes (which are purposely ludicrous and not meant to be taken seriously most of the time, except when Mirror Jennifer died, I guess), it just seemed way too creepy to me. 
The way I see the whole Trill thing is that relationships change from one host to another--and sometimes very dramatically. Yes, Curzon Dax was like a father to Sisko, but Jadzia herself said "I'm not Curzon." But being that she had Curzon's memories, however, Jadzia knew Sisko better than anyone and knew what made him tick--what he liked and didn't like, his strengths and weaknesses.
Sure, it would have been very awkward and uncomfortable for Sisko, but I would have loved to see him squirm if Jadzia had decided to actively pursue him and prove that she wasn't an old man.
Bashir had way more of an ego and a worse set of sexual ethics than Jadzia did. Who cares if Jadzia was "stringing him along?" Julian, being the self-obsessed "charmer" and obvious womanizer (or at least wannabe) that he is, was naive enough to saddle up and go along for years on a ride that never happened. No one was forcing him to, and Jadzia made it clear far more often than not that nothing was going to happen besides idle flirting and some cheap pursuit on his part. Bashir does not deserve the victim card here whatsoever. He came onto Jadzia way too strong, just like he did with Sarina Douglas, who was disabled and psychologically couldn't handle his advances. You would think he would learn to stop whipping it out so early whenever some diverse, smart chick entered the picture. As a young man, I was frequently embarrassed by this horndog's "24th century" behavior.
Most importantly, if Jadzia were a male character, would we be complaining about her "sexual exploits," "promiscuity", and presumptiveness/ego? Methinks not, at least not to the point and detail that this thread has taken it. It is obvious that many men are uncomfortable with women being strong, in control, and able to make them jump through hoops without ever giving them a treat in return. People do this because they can; women do this because men make themselves easy to manipulate by always thinking with Head #2 like Julian did. Don't blame the Ferrari just because your ass can't drive.
I'm not actually a big Jadzia fan, either. I think she's funny, cute, and strong, and I enjoy that she is in control and sex-positive, but I think Terry is a shoddy actress who was nothing on DS9 without strong directing/coaching and strong writing. Watch Emissary again, and listen to her delivery while she's talking about initially locating the Celestial Temple in the Denorios Belt, and I will pay you $300 to tell me with a straight face that that is even halfway acceptable delivery, rhythm, and tone. However, when the writing and direction do happen, then things are fine and she's a total blast. I think Jadzia was secondary and fairly pedestrian during the later arcs and didn't actually do much. I still enjoyed her character and I liked what she brought to the mix.
Most importantly, if Jadzia were a male character, would we be complaining about her "sexual exploits," "promiscuity", and presumptiveness/ego? Methinks not, at least not to the point and detail that this thread has taken it. It is obvious that many men are uncomfortable with women being strong, in control, and able to make them jump through hoops without ever giving them a treat in return. People do this because they can; women do this because men make themselves easy to manipulate by always thinking with Head #2 like Julian did. Don't blame the Ferrari just because your ass can't drive.
I'm not actually a big Jadzia fan, either. I think she's funny, cute, and strong, and I enjoy that she is in control and sex-positive, but I think Terry is a shoddy actress who was nothing on DS9 without strong directing/coaching and strong writing. Watch Emissary again, and listen to her delivery while she's talking about initially locating the Celestial Temple in the Denorios Belt, and I will pay you $300 to tell me with a straight face that that is even halfway acceptable delivery, rhythm, and tone. However, when the writing and direction do happen, then things are fine and she's a total blast. I think Jadzia was secondary and fairly pedestrian during the later arcs and didn't actually do much. I still enjoyed her character and I liked what she brought to the mix.
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Julian's conduct is one of the reasons I absolutely cannot watch "Chrysalis." And in the early seasons, his behavior towards women IS an embarrassment. Maybe I'm the odd one out, but I find lack of self-control an equally unappealing trait in men, and in women. (While I am only interested in men, myself, when it comes to evaluating a character, that trait is one I find repulsive no matter what.) Presumptiveness and ego are actually very fitting terms for the way Julian acted...he got better in later seasons, somewhat, but those are definitely terms I would apply.
Again, I think I actually would've preferred to see Bashir and Garak--assuming, of course, the relationship could survive the things Garak did in his past, which is in question...AND assuming Bashir were bisexual (Garak I think there's strong reason to suspect WAS bisexual)--in a committed relationship. Now, if that was a relationship that would get abusive or degrading, I wouldn't go for it. But IF it could be a relationship of equals, then I think it would've added strength to Bashir's character as compared to the one-night stands.
Again, I think I actually would've preferred to see Bashir and Garak--assuming, of course, the relationship could survive the things Garak did in his past, which is in question...AND assuming Bashir were bisexual (Garak I think there's strong reason to suspect WAS bisexual)--in a committed relationship. Now, if that was a relationship that would get abusive or degrading, I wouldn't go for it. But IF it could be a relationship of equals, then I think it would've added strength to Bashir's character as compared to the one-night stands.
I like "Chrysalis", it is good exactly because it calls Bashir on his immature, stupid behavior with women and shows consequences of his actions.
I do, I find it dishonest and essentially lieing. It's almost abusive to give false hope to someone and I find it fairly destructive and not exactly the quality of a decent person who cares about others.
Bashir as a cad isn't exactly decent but he's at least open, honest and direct. He wants something so he goes for it, gets knocked back and stops. Jadzia on the other hand pretends to want something and continues to do so just to play her sick game. It shows a distinct lack of regard for others and their emotions.
Well just to be fair, That was like the very first episode of DS9... and I personally find the acting skills in the first episodes of any of the Star Trek shows were pretty shoddy.
I mean TNG is a prime example of how the actors need to gradually get experience in playing a character on camera. The acting in the first season was pretty poor in TNG.... and I found in DS9, due to slightly similar reasons, it took me a while to get into the characters because the acting seemed a tad awkward and you can easily see the actors are still trying to fine tune where they're characters are coming from and where they're going.
I dunno if it relates, but look at the transition of Rom in DS9. He went from your typical greedy, un-caring, shallow Feringi, wanting to kill his brother and take over the bar.... then gradually grew into a moron for comic relief who cared about his brother and wouldn't hurt him..... then gradually grew into a very smart moron who eventually becomes the next Grand Nagus.
I don't even think M. Night Shyamalan could come up with as many character twists as what Rom went through.
What's my point? I dunno, I like stories.
But I personally wouldn't hold it against the actors for the shoddy acting of the first season.... Voyager, TNG, etc. all went through the same processes.
I can see what you mean, and in the first couple of seasons Bashir was pretty annoying... but I guess the writers wanted to give off the impression of a genius who's full of himself and his abilities from the Academy, being in his early 20's and out for adventure... basically your run of the mill, university frat boy who got everything handed to him in school and now has to face reality.... which it seems reality made its mark on Bashir over the seasons as he grew up and became more mature.
Also, being held in a Dominion prison camp for a while probably helped him grow up a bit..... along with being exposed for being a genetically enhanced human.
While I never cared for Bashir in the beginning, I do appreciate and grew to like his character through his development and growing in the show.
Garak and Bashir getting it on?I have nothing against homosexuality, but I can't say I'd go for that idea. And I can't see how you'd think Garak was gay or bisexual.
While I agree with you towards people who lead others on whom have no real interest in that person.... From what I gathered from Dax in the episodes, is that she was not only flattered by Bashir, but there was a trace bit of interest towards him.
The only reason why I think she kept leading him on, if she did in fact do that, was that he had a few kinks to work out in his personality, needed to grow up a wee bit.
In fact, I don't think I'd say she was leading him on, but rather giving him some harsh lessons on how to approach a woman in order to be taken seriously. She did give him a smirk or a certain look from time to time, but for the most part, she continually shot down his two dimensional flirts and told him exactly why while walking away.
She probably did have some interest in him, but it seemed to me as though she felt a bit too old and a bit too mature for him at the time.
Her jerking him around actually helped his character to grow up and be a bit more mature if you ask me.... he also learned the hard way when to cut his loses and stop chasing something he'd probably never get.
And I imagine many of us had to figure those things out the hard way too.
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I hate Jadzia Dax because:
1. She is horribly acted (one facial expression, monotone, wooden delivery of every line, etc.).
2. She is horribly written (not once did she ever say anything worth listening to; her 'jokes' were never funny; her "Curzon did this, Curzon did that statements" can cure insomnia because they are so unbelievably boring to listen to; every one of her lines was a waste of screen-time).
3. She is inherently annoying due to her smug, pompous attitude.
4. She serves no useful function on the show whatsoever; her character is therefore 100% irrelevant. That is why they didn't even bother to replace her with someone who performed the same function that she did (i.e. 'science officer'.) If she was not useless and irrelevant, they would have (yes, I know they cast Ezri, who also is useless and irrelevant to the show, but she did not replace Jadzia's function, because Jadzia had no function). It is very obvious that Jadzia was cast for 'eye-candy' purposes only (even though she doesn't look good anyway, yet inexplicably some people think she does)
5. Her rampant promiscuity does not make her 'cool' or whatever the writers were going for with that, rather it just makes her even worse and more of a joke as a character.
6. Disgustingly, she had the gall to insult a bonafide real-life literary master, Victor Hugo, for allegedly writing 'one dimensional female characters' even though she herself, Jadzia, is one of the very worst and most one-dimensional female characters ever written.
I hate very few characters. It's a strong emotion after all.
I had concerns about her promiscuity as well. Good point. Allow me to point out out on the wooden aspect that both Kira and Dax at the beginning were rather flat even with the emotional aspect of their roles...as well as Jake who seemed false.
(Frankly the Ferengi were far more convincing as people than the humans)
I digress, though, Even Colm Meany had wooden moments at the beginning...Good lord so did Bashir and some of them kept it up the entire series.
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Bashir
were the worse and the most boring was Ezri Dax in my estimation. Dax never had much to work with despite the history in the symbiont.
He did get better over time, and that was the reason why in the end I like him better than Jadzia, who to me degenerated over time.
Garak read as bisexual, to me--possibly gay, but most likely bisexual. To me, though, Bashir's orientation seems more hetero, so he would be the question in that possible pairing. Whether or not he would accept any male advances I'm not sure, and obviously if he didn't, then the idea wouldn't stand.
Jadzia isn't exactly my favorite character on the show and strictly speaking, I could probably answer this poll with a "no" since I wouldn't have a problem with her not being in the show at all in retrospect.
However I voted "yes" since
In short, write-in answer: "Meh"
However I voted "yes" since
I consider that the actual question posed here and I don't hate the character.
In short, write-in answer: "Meh"
I'm just curious as to what made you personally think Garak could be bisexual, homosexual, or other?
He had a bit of a thing going for Dukat's daughter, tried to setup Odo with a woman in one episode whom kinda showed he had a bit of taste and knowledge on what would interest Odo, or a male anyways..... I'm not saying those prove he was straight or anything, but I certainly never saw any hints he had attraction to the same sex.
Sure he was a tailor and hemmed clothing, but that doesn't make someone gay or bi.... being an assassin/spy and thinking everybody is out to kill you... I'd probably take up a similar profession like a tailor or gardener too.... it's somewhat, unexpected and a decent cover
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