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Jadzia Dax YES OR NO ?

Do you like jadzia?

  • Yes

    Votes: 126 86.3%
  • No

    Votes: 20 13.7%

  • Total voters
    146
If Jadzia was going to join the Enterprise, the audience should have seen her on the Enterprise and meeting the Enterprise crew. They were making Star Trek Insurrection then. Think Berman would have loaned DS9 some Enterprise sets and actors for a few scenes?

And how could you explain Jadzia accepting a posting separate from Worf - are they getting divorced?
It could have been arranged in some way. One of the TNG characters could have showed up and we could have seen Jadzia leave the station with that character, nothing more.

As for Worf, he could have dumped Jadzia after finding out that she had a realtionship with Quark or Lt. Bodai and threatened Sisko with that he would leave the station if Jadzia stayed. Since Sisko regarded Worf as very imporant in the current situation with the Dominion war, Jadzia had to go.

Better that to kill her off at least.
 
I hate Jadzia Dax because… it is very obvious that Jadzia was cast for 'eye-candy' purposes only (even though she doesn't look good anyway, yet inexplicably some people think she does :cardie:)

You should’ve just started and stopped your post here. This is the real reason for your hatred, after all. Everything else is just window-dressing. You’re insulting her because you feel threatened by attractive women.
 
Yes, I like Jadzia. Great character!

They shouldn't have killed her off. She could have got a post on the Enterprise and maybe returned in the last episode for a short visit.

Ezri could have been Jadzia's sister who joined the crew in season 7.
I like Ezri too. Also a great character!
Well, I do agree on this point, yes. Killing her off was a mistake, at least at the end. But, I prefer Ezri to Jadzia, who was too much of a Klingon fan girl for my tastes.

I wish you had... my struggle with that mentality is that it doesn't give folks who are new to these boards (like me) a chance to revisit those worthy topics of discussion. I hope I don't get any "demerits" if I decide to comment on a older topic... after all Star Trek has been around almost 60 years...
It's just a part of the board rules. If you see a topic you want to discuss you can start a new topic and link to the old.
 
The episode "Playing God", as mediocre as it was, represented a fundamental change in host/symbiont dynamics. Until then, as I understand, the basic premise was that the symbiont personality was the dominant one. After that, it was decided that the host would be more influential. That may be why Dax became a more energetic character then, more like a young woman than a 300-year-old of indeterminate sex.

I'd say that was pretty firmly established in Dax.
 
I never was a particular Jadzia fan, though I didn't hate her.

Early Jadzia was this weird combination of being both 300 years and 27 years old, and this mixing somehow.

Later Jadzia became a bit too much the 'party and gossip' type of girl for me to really care, I suppose. Though she did have a more serious side as well. Unfortunately I didn't get to see it that often.
 
Twelve years. Daaaamn.

Yeah, my bad. I missed this one.

@Captain Jerk. If in future you see an old thread that you'd like to respond to and it's been inactive for over a year, please just go ahead and create a new thread and link back to any content from the old thread you feel is relevant. Thanks! :)

Having said that, we've gotten a lot of new activity on this thread so I'll leave it open.
 
You should’ve just started and stopped your post here. This is the real reason for your hatred, after all. Everything else is just window-dressing. You’re insulting her because you feel threatened by attractive women.
Well, that post was from twelve years ago, from somebody who hasn't been here in five years. So they're probably not likely to see this.

Kor
 
These old posts of yore are interesting. It’s a member who hasn’t been here for over a decade that posted in this thread that they didn’t like Seven of Nine, then had to qualify that by saying “I’m not gay by the way”.

Like saying “Jeri Ryan is not to my tastes” automatically equates to being homosexual… I don’t think we’d see a post like that these days. I hope as people we aren’t so dumb as to think that these days.

Crazy times.

The past truly is a foreign country.
 
The older I get, the more I grow to really hate the Jadzia Dax character, and really think she spoiled the show.

I like the summary given by Navaros, way back in the second post of this thread.

But here are my own 7 Reasons why I hate Dax:

1) Weird character concept
The basic concept of a female character who used to "be" seven other people (including men) is weird. It might be OK for a fun one-off story (eg TNG's "The Host"), but for a main character, it's too weird. Men and women are fundamentally different, and one can't just "become" the other. Dramatically, it doesn't make sense, and Sisko's relationship with this "old man" / young chick is totally confusing.

2) Casting
I don't want say "acting", as that would be unfair to Terry Farrell (whom I like a lot). Dax is NOT her fault! Miss Farrel was a beautiful girl, young and clearly inexperienced when she was cast. The fault lies NOT with her but the directors who cast her into such a ridiculous role!

Dax was intended as a mature, wise, knowing, sage-like character, brimming with fascinating stories about the past - almost a Garak-like character. That kind of role requires an unusual strength and caliber of performer, which Miss Farrell simply was not in a position to deliver. Shame on the casting directors!

3) Failure to correct the character
As the show went on, it was surely obvious to everyone that the "wise old sage" character just wasn't working for this pretty young actress. The character either comes across as some strange neutered man with a woman's body - or a cold woman lacking any emotion or warmth, neither of which has any appeal to anyone.

Yet the writers just seemed to ignore this character problem, allowing her to get pushed further aside, drifting into insignificance. What the writers SHOULD have done is make a course correction, and taken the character in a direction that played to the actress's strengths.

Terry wasn't a "wise, serious sage", she was a little sweetheart, with a beautiful smile, and in fact she worked best not when she was stern and scientific, but when she was WARM and VULNERABLE (see how great she was in Tribble-ations, where she got the chance to loosen up and show a more playful, feminine side to her personality).

4) Failure to help the actress
Evidently, the writers concluded that Terry wasn't the most skilled performer so they shrugged their shoulders, minimized her involvement in the scripts, and relegated her dialog mostly to scientific exposition, keeping her away from the drama.

When what they SHOULD have done is paid more attention to the actress, nurtured her, coached her, and put her under the supervision of directors and mentors who could push her and really get some performing out of the girl (even if it "took all night"). How wonderful it would have been to see Jadzia break down and cry once or twice! Viewers might have even been able to relate to her! But the writers never gave her this chance.

5) Styling and hair
For me, this is no small detail. I was never a fan of the DS9 wardrobe. The original costumes were so plain, and not at all flattering or feminine for poor Terry (those uniforms were sadly carried over to Voyager). The First Contact uniforms were very welcome, and looked much nicer on Terry and the other crewmen.

But my biggest gripe is the hairstyling. The hair stylists on 90s Trek generally made all the women look dowdy and unfeminine, often with some kind of quiff (probably in an attempt to make them look more 'commanding'). Miss Farrell was sadly another victim of the bad hairstyling, given horrible hair pieces, unnatural colors and unflattering styles. (Not as hideous as Troi and Crusher, but still bad!)

The sad thing is that from time to time, we'd get to see her hair looking amazing in special episodes like the Mirror ones, Past Tense, Tribble-ations, etc. She actually looked like a woman in those episodes! (Hoshi Sato had the same problem! Feminine in the Mirror universe, dowdy in our own universe!)

6) No chemistry with Worf
I wouldn't necessarily have paired Worf with Jadzia, but the romance COULD have worked. IMHO, it didn't though, and I really didn't like the way they played it.

Instead of Jadzia swooning over Worf, him picking her up, taking charge, and being her big, strong Klingon warrior hero, instead they decided to draw upon Jadzia's past as a man, turning Jazdia into some kind of bat'leth-wielding 'hero' herself and making her and Worf effectively "equals" - two warriors, with neither of them the protector, just two "people" hanging out together. I know many would disagree (especially these days), but "two people hanging out together" is not my definition of a heart-racing romance!

7) Bitchy Dax
And finally, like other Trek females before her, Dax was eventually taken in the 'smarmy, bitchy' direction. Not "wise and noble", just kind of smug, sometimes even childishly so.

No sooner had she and Worf got together, she began treating him with casual disrespect, almost condescending him at times. And it's here in her dealings with Worf that I believe the true ugliness of the character was revealed, and the fundamental incompatibility of the two as a couple. Dax's most insufferable moment was (obviously) "Let He Who Is Without Sin" - but by no means was it just that episode.

And I feel so sorry for Worf. Jadzia's lack of reverence toward him served to emasculate the poor man even further. This was NOT what he needed! He already had a problem with being defeated in almost every hand-to-hand fight (a score that was gloriously settled in "By Inferno's Light" when he kicked the asses of those Jem'Hadar soldiers).

Worf needed to grow in stature as a hero. The last thing he needed was a girlfriend who was tough, 'independent' and could hold her own, even undermine his strength. They may as well have cut his balls off! Worf had already suffered two somewhat smarmy ex-girlfriends (K'Ehleyr and Troi both had a chip on their shoulder).

And yes, I know that Klingons like their women physical and feisty, but ultimately that's about sexual banter and physical conquest (which the male wins) - it's not about the woman having a permanent air of condescension toward her man.
 
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1. I don't agree. Gender is primarily a social construct. The symbionts (that as far as I remember have no genders) were happy to inhabit whatever gender of host they end up in.

2. Mostly agree. They cast Farrell for a fairly difficult acting part, knowing she had little acting experience. Shame on DS9 for casting for looks rather than established acting chops.

3. They did change the character. She went from very wise and somewhat aloof in the early seasons to a party person later on. I've got to think that's based on what Farrell was able to play.

4. Reducing her lines to science officer exposition is a reasonable response when the actor has trouble delivering more emotional lines. Farrell's acting did improve during the six seasons as she gained experience - most obviously she did an excellent job in "Rejoined" and "You Are Cordially Invited" which I don't think she could have handled in season 1 or 2. Coaches, etc., really seems beyond what an acting gig is expected to provide for an actor. (Okay, maybe if you had Marilyn Monroe in the cast it would be worth it, but DS9 didn't have a movie budget and Farrell was not the primary star.) Actors should already know how to act - and it's on DS9 that they hired her, but that doesn't mean they need to pay for acting school.

5. I don't agree. The women (and men) have simple, practical uniforms and hair styles that in the real world would not take an hour to put on in the morning. There are no ladies' maids on DS9. Jadzia wears the same uniforms as everyone else in Starfleet.

6 and 7, I thought Jadzia's relationship with Worf was one of the high points of the character. They both respect each other. They both have very significant achievements (if you count Dax's past lives, which I think we must). Their chemistry, I thought, was good and believable. They have different desires for how social to be, but they work those differences out. They both change.

A weak girlfriend or wife would not have suited Worf at all. He needs a peer, not a doormat. He would be bored with a woman who just worshipped him. She didn't undermine him, but she didn't let him get away with taking himself too seriously either. "Let He Who Is Without Sin" is a weak episode, but its weakness is in Worf's character for taking the New Essentialists seriously and helping them sabatoge the weather control system instead of, say, arresting them.

Jadzia would not take kindly to being called "his woman" like some kind of fashion accessory. They are partners, not the Prominent Dominant Man and his pretty little wifey. If they'd showed Jadzia as some sort 1950s wife, it would have been unacceptable to a large chunk of their audience, including me.
 
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