"IS WARP DRIVE POSSIBLE?" - A discussion

[Dryson]

Just like the comment stated before, "physics" is layered.

If the laws governing Einstein's theories are removed, such as reducing the mass of all meta based atoms within the flight path of the space craft, then the increase in mass being placed on the space craft that is being pulled through space due to the "wobble" of the planet's in the solar is greatly reduced.

The more mass that is removed from atoms in space would nearly revert space back to a period just before the Big Bang.

Primordial Space had less gravity because celestial objects did exist to create gravitational pull on heavy metal atoms due to wobbling.

Another question.

How many joules does it take to propel a light photon as well as how many joules were present at the Big Bang?

If even half of the Big Bang joules can be produced, while traveling through semi void space, then close to FTL could be achieved.

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

To achieve FTL, all you need is a little weed.

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[Dryson]

Going back to the comment regarding the wobble of a star and the wobble of planets.

Just prior to the Big Bang, the energetic forces present must have been wobbling due to gravitational influences being exerted on each object as the objects got closer and closer.

Theoretically, the gravitational forces of both objects, could have pulled particles out of each object that then collided together to create the Big Bang.

The question is, is gravity from a larger planet, such as Jupiter, Saturn, and Neptune Uranus, along with faster rotating bodies, such as Venus and Mercury required to assist in pulling on particles within a star to get the particles hyper active to create the energy potential in a sun?

Do smaller planets such as Earth, Mars, and Pluto help regulate the interactions taking place between the gravity of large planets exerting a pull on a star and a star pulling on the planets?

How can such an idea of two large bodies exerting a gravitational force and wobble on each other that pulls particles for each body, be converted into an energetic release at a middle focal point to be used as thrust potential?

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

I refer the interested to further deep discussion of the issues raised here.

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[StarCruiser]

Well, clearly, you are comparing common nonsense to uncommon nonsense...

The current form is of a far more highly developed form - almost an art, you might say - if you were a madman MWAHAHAHA!!@#$@#$!$#@ Woohoo!

 

[publiusr]

Note that the minimum possible mass for a black hole is generally thought to be the Planck mass, approximately 22 micrograms (about a third of the mass of a human eyelash), although this might not be the actual minimum if additional dimensions exist that modify Planck's constant on very small scales. Without additional dimensions, a Planck mass black hole has a lifetime of 8.7x10^-40s, longer than the Planck time of 5.4x10^-44s but still very short

Now, I seem to remember that there was a linear earthquake in 1993 that SMU chalked up to a stranglet. Earth has a—what? 21 day “heartbeat” and one side is cooling more...we see particles coming “up” out of Antarctica....and everyone looks to be making HLLVs these days—-Jor-El(on) style.

Maybe Larry Niven was on to something after all. There’s your next disaster movie.

 

[Dryson]

The key to warp drive might not even exist on Earth but might exist in the form of exotic minerals or crystals that exist on another planet in our solar system.

Something, not even remotely close to Einsteins Laws on Physics, caused the Big Bang. Whatever caused the Big Bang either compressed or stretched particles in space-time, that process of compressing and stretching particles to create immense energetic releases of energy how warp drive will be achieved.

Another question would be, could the process of what took place between Oumuamua and our Sun be a possible process that helped created the Big Bang but on a much larger scale?

 

[StarCruiser]

I would refer you back to my previous post but, then I repeat myself...

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

Theoretic principles could also be baffling. Shannon information theory (1949) is the basis of modern communication devices. It built upon the groundwork of Nyquist and Hartley from the late 1920s but Shannon developed a complete theory of information and its transmission. This theory has even led to a potential paradigm shift that information might be even more fundamental to the Universe than energy.

Theoretical physicists have struggled for decades to unify quantum mechanics and general relativity - devices that depend on such a unified theory might well be incomprehensible to us.

 

[N-121973]

To achieve FTL, all you need is a little weed.

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At which point, PC Plod showed up and arrested Bill & Ben for having a little weed.

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

At which point, PC Plod showed up and arrested Bill & Ben for having a little weed.

Also both were charged with possessing pot.

 

[Dryson]

At which point, PC Plod showed up and arrested Bill & Ben for having a little weed.

The comment above is fan fiction and not part of the threads overall conversation.

The Variable Specific Impulse Magnetoplasma Rocket (VASIMR) is an electrothermal thruster under development for possible use in spacecraft propulsion. It uses radio waves to ionize and heat an inert propellant, forming a plasma, then a magnetic field to confine and accelerate the expanding plasma, generating thrust. It is a plasma propulsion engine, one of several types of spacecraft electric propulsion systems.[1]

I wonder, could the plasma be used to heat ice that is injected into a chamber that then creates a similar thrust potential the same that happened on Oumuamua?

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

^All you'd be doing is wasting energy melting ice and then heating the resulting water vapour as well as adding more propellant mass that needs to be accelerated.

VASIMR, like all space propulsion methods that require a propellant, works by ejecting matter as fast as possible in the direction opposite from the desired direction of thrust.

Last thing I read was VASIMR is not electrically efficient enough - it requires too much power and generates too much waste heat. The intense magnetic field required also causes problems with onboard systems besides producing unwanted torque by interaction with external magnetic fields. Research is ongoing to overcome these problems but I don't think I'll see this propulsion method used for manned spaceflight in my lifetime.

 

[Santaman]

Wished they would stop being so FLIPPING annoying and go for NERVA like propulsion, not the best you can get but heck, it works.

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

Wished they would stop being so FLIPPING annoying and go for NERVA like propulsion, not the best you can get but heck, it works.

I gather in 2019 there was some Congress-approved funding of new work on nuclear thermal rocket (NTR) engines that are supposed to be an improvement over the NERVA design. Not sure if it'll survive the new administration.
Earth to Mars in 100 days: The power of nuclear rockets (phys.org)
Momentum grows for nuclear thermal propulsion - SpaceNews
Fusion would be even better at between 2.5 and 5 Newtons of thrust per megawatt and a specific impulse of 10,000 seconds compared with 850s for fission and 450s for chemical propulsion. However, fusion, besides its radiation byproducts, probably presents some of the same problems as the VASIMR concept such as electrical inefficiency, waste heat, and electronic interference and torque on the spacecraft caused by the intense magnetic fields required for magnetic confinement fusion interacting with external magnetic fields (although lattice confinement fusion would potentially solve the latter problem).

 

[Santaman]

Fusion would indeed be better, but for the moment I would like them to use fission engines mainly because we know a lot better how they work and they already tested NERVA components in the pas and it worked, besides that they would be quite a bit better than chemical rockets already.

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

Fusion would indeed be better, but for the moment I would like them to use fission engines mainly because we know a lot better how they work and they already tested NERVA components in the pas and it worked, besides that they would be quite a bit better than chemical rockets already.

I agree - we're nowhere near having a workable fusion reactor for such a use case. I suspect that some people will campaign heavily against the launch of fission reactors into space given past opposition to launching radioisotope thermoelectric generators (RTGs) containing radioactive isotopes. Thankfully, they didn't get their way, as the RTGS on Perseverance, Curiosity, and New Horizons demonstrate.

 

[Santaman]

There are always people who are wary of shooting a nuclear device into space, yes there is a small chance that the thing comes back but there are always containers that can survive re-entry and an impact.
I am otherwise not sure if you can shoot the engine into space and later on fuel it, small batches of nuclear material can be put into re-entry proof containers probably a lot easier than an entire engine, would also mean a lot less weight.

RTG's have been strewn around by the Sovjets for ages for use in all kinds of beacons, I would worry about those first.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beta-M

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

The ALSEP RTG on the Apollo 13 LM descent stage might have burnt up or it might be lying at the bottom or the ocean. Either way, I'm not worrying about it.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

There are always people who are wary of shooting a nuclear device into space, yes there is a small chance that the thing comes back but there are always containers that can survive re-entry and an impact.
I am otherwise not sure if you can shoot the engine into space and later on fuel it, small batches of nuclear material can be put into re-entry proof containers probably a lot easier than an entire engine, would also mean a lot less weight.

RTG's have been strewn around by the Sovjets for ages for use in all kinds of beacons, I would worry about those first.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beta-M

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