"IS WARP DRIVE POSSIBLE?" - A discussion

[JirinPanthosa]

And make a copy! Just like a fax machine, you get a copy to your destination but the original hasn't moved. However, if you destroy the original, then all you have left is a copy. That's what a transporter is, a killing machine that populates the world with copies of the people that were originally there...

I would disagree there. Either the soul exists outside the body or it does not and the experience of consciousness is an emergent illusion of the electrical process in our brain.

If there is no soul, the illusion of consciousness would continue uninterrupted between copies with no distinction.

If there is a soul, it’s smart enough to go to the new body.

 

[Swedish Borg]

I would disagree there. Either the soul exists outside the body or it does not and the experience of consciousness is an emergent illusion of the electrical process in our brain.

If there is no soul, the illusion of consciousness would continue uninterrupted between copies with no distinction.

If there is a soul, it’s smart enough to go to the new body.

I don't believe in "soul" that IMO is religious bullshit but your hypothesis doesn't work. The transporter created two Rikers, neither one was the original and neither one was aware of the other. If you killed one, either one, then the other would know nothing.

The original Riker was lost and two copies appeared in his place, that's the only conclusion that makes sense, hence the transporter being a killing machine.

If you use the transporter once, then it doesn't matter what happens next because you won't be there to see it. A copy of you, a copy that you would be unaware of if your body wasn't destroyed, will see it, that copy will think it is you but you won't know it. You'll be eating oblivion.

 

[dupersuper]

The original Riker was lost and two copies appeared in his place, that's the only conclusion that makes sense

It's your interpretation, but hardly the only explanation that makes sense. I can think of two others right off the bat that make perfect sense to me.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

I don't believe in "soul" that IMO is religious bullshit but your hypothesis doesn't work. The transporter created two Rikers, neither one was the original and neither one was aware of the other. If you killed one, either one, then the other would know nothing.

The original Riker was lost and two copies appeared in his place, that's the only conclusion that makes sense, hence the transporter being a killing machine.

If you use the transporter once, then it doesn't matter what happens next because you won't be there to see it. A copy of you, a copy that you would be unaware of if your body wasn't destroyed, will see it, that copy will think it is you but you won't know it. You'll be eating oblivion.

You are not your meat, though. You are the sum total of electrical impulses in your brain. Same electrical impulses, same you.

 

[Swedish Borg]

You are not your meat, though. You are the sum total of electrical impulses in your brain. Same electrical impulses, same you.

What if there are two of you? That's the problem, isn't it? They can't both be you. One of them has to be a copy. The fax machine analogy works perfectly in this case. If you fax a document, what you have sent is just an image of it. You have a copy at the other place if now like the transporter you destroy the original then what you're left with is a copy and you have just killed the original. The funny thing is that you'll never know it. One moment you're here and the next you're dead but for the rest of the world, there is a copy acting and thinking and behaving just like you. The perfect murder. Since in the Star Trek world everyone uses the transporter, at least once, even people who hate it, like McCoy will eventually be forced to use it. Hell, if your mother uses it while pregnant then you don't even get to be born!!! Everybody is murdered and the world is filled with their copies, that's the ideal future for you!!

 

[JirinPanthosa]

Why can't they both be you? If your consciousness is an illusion of chemical processes? You are the continuing experience of being you, and both yous experience that.

 

[Swedish Borg]

Why can't they both be you? If your consciousness is an illusion of chemical processes? You are the continuing experience of being you, and both yous experience that.

Because there is only one of you!!! That's as simple as that.

A copy can experience being you but if someone kills you you'll be dead. Of course, the discussion is moot since that kind of stuff will never happen. I am sure you would change your mind rapidly if confronted with a situation like that. You'd realize then that your death means the end of you, no matter how many copies are moving around claiming to be you.

 

[Dryson]

If you can’t go faster than light but can safely get arbitrarily close to it, you get into the cost/benefit problem. Coming here means thousands of years pass at home and all their friends and family are dead when they get here.

I for one, do not believe the aging paradox associated with FTL travel.

Light travels at 299,792,458 meters a second.
The Earth travels 460 meters a second. There are 31,536,000 seconds in year.

The Earth therefore travels 14,506,560,000 meters in one Earth year.
Light travels the same distance that Earth travels in one year, in 48.38867 seconds.

The distance that the Earth is from the Sun, 149.6 billion meters, compared to how many meters the Earth travels in a year, 14.5 billion meters, means that Earth has actually aged 10.312 years, based on the distance that the Sun is from the Earth.

If birthdays associated with aging takes 14.5 billion meters of travel or one complete Earth year, then within that 48.38 seconds that a light photon takes to travel the same distance a person ages a year in and light is the all giving source of life in the Universe, then shouldn't some advanced aging process have taken place on Earth?

 

[Dryson]

Time travel would not take place when traveling to FTL due to the simple matter of fact that FTL would require accessing Void Space or space time that wasn't present prior to the Big Bang which introduced gravity and aging into the Universe. By accessing Void Space, which is basically being able to break the bond of gravitational influences upon a ship, influences that did not exist prior to the Big bang, then the rate at which time would change due to FTL and faster velocities would not exist. Therefore a ship accessing Void Space or Sub-space, would not experience time dilation.

 

[publiusr]

Send well shielded embryos and hope the AGI rears children properly.

That’s as good as you are going to get.

 

[Dryson]

I watched a You Tube video yesterday called Space Weapons that the History Channel did a few years ago.

One weapon that was discussed was the Anti-Matter bomb. The bomb didn't have a casing other than an EM shield.

Right before the bomb impacted the Moon, the EM shield was turned off and the anti-matter allowed to come into contact with matter.

If an EM shield is able to keep anti-matter/matter reactions from happening, would the same EM shield be effective in upping the G limit humans are capable of experiencing at faster speeds through space?

 

[Swedish Borg]

I wouldn't worry too much about an antimatter bomb. Antimatter is the most expensive substance in the world, its cost is estimated at sixty trillion dollars per gram!!! It would be less expensive to heat your house by burning banknotes!!!

 

[Dryson]

Voyager 1 has detected 'plasma rain' .

The flow of conducting plasma (ionized gas) through a magnetic field at high velocity causes a voltage to be generated across the electrodes which are placed at suitable position in the stream of ionized gas and thus the electrical energy is generated directly through thermal energy.

How can plasma from space be made to pass through a magnetic field, something that might look like the intake manifold on a starships engines, at high velocity that causes voltage across electrodes to be created that in turn creates electrical energy?

Finding a way to convert space plasma inside of a solar system to a propulsive thrust would pretty much ensure very low fuel consumption costs involved with transportation due to the billions of years of life the Sun has left in it.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variable_Specific_Impulse_Magnetoplasma_Rocket

VASMR uses a neutral gas to create plasma.

But with plasma raining down everywhere in the solar system, could the simple answer be to replace the neutral gas tank storage with a system that collects plasma where the plasma is then superheat to create exhaust thrust?

 

[StarCruiser]

Just like the Bussard Ramjet, there would be drag created by whatever means you use to collect that (very thinly spread out) plasma.

Remember that Plasma is just one of the states of matter. There may be Plasma drifting about to some extent but, it's going to be in a limited area and will cool down into lower-energy states of matter (entropy baby, can't get away from it!).

 

[Swedish Borg]

Just like the Bussard Ramjet, there would be drag created by whatever means you use to collect that (very thinly spread out) plasma.

Remember that Plasma is just one of the states of matter. There may be Plasma drifting about to some extent but, it's going to be in a limited area and will cool down into lower-energy states of matter (entropy baby, can't get away from it!).

There can't be plasma in outer space. For one thing, space is cold, about three degrees kelvin, that very cold!! And plasma is matter at very hot temperatures, thousands of degrees. So it's just not compatible.

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

There can't be plasma in outer space. For one thing, space is cold, about three degrees kelvin, that very cold!! And plasma is matter at very hot temperatures, thousands of degrees. So it's just not compatible.

You are confusing heat and temperature.

 

[Dryson]

https://www.thehindu.com/sci-tech/s...hum-of-interstellar-space/article34539865.ece

With Voyager 1 detecting plasma in Interstellar Space, and the ability to collect the plasma and convert plasma into energy, humanity will be guaranteed life for next 4.5 billion years. The Oort Cloud will provide Mars all of the water that the planet needs to become habitable.

Passing through the Oort Cloud, humanity will then be able to travel to a - Centauri and AC + 79 to further spread life from Earth into the Cosmos. If we stop now only passing the torch around the table, all we will have done is burned the table to the ground with nothing left to eat on.

http://www-pw.physics.uiowa.edu/voyager/

There is also more than enough ice chunks in the Oort Cloud containing frozen water to create Plasma Engine from.

At :55-56 seconds of the video below, there is a bright flash. You can see the gases escape upwards and away from the initial point of contact. It looks like natural exhaust from a propulsion unit. The elements in the jar are water, which the Oort Cloud has a lot of, the other element is salt.

If the same process in the video can be made into a engine system large enough to create propulsive thrust then local ships be propelled by the new engine while larger ships would use the variation of the VASMR that collects plasma from heliopause. Plasma that is then converted into thrust using the VASMR concept.

Plasma's can be moved and controlled using magnets.

This means that moving charges, such as the electrons in a plasma, can behave as a magnet and be affected by a magnetic field. Scientists use strong magnets to confine plasmas that are millions of degrees!

Exposing a magnet to colder temperatures will increase its magnetism. The molecules within the magnet will move slower because they have less kinetic energy so there is less vibration within the magnet's molecules.

The theoretical design would use the strongest magnets ever created, to capture the electrons in plasma to pull the plasma into the intake of the engine. magnets then guide the plasma down a central shaft to the Helicon coupler where the propellant is ionized. The ICH coupler heats the plasma to one million degrees that turns into thrust as the plasma escapes magnetic confinement.

The design would be have magnets that are exposed to space to ensure the magnet generates the greatest amount of magnetism possible.

To generate a slower thrust, the magnets at the intake section of the engine would be heated internally. Less magnetism means less plasma is moved into the central heating section to be converted into thrust.

It's just a basic idea and would require a lot more in depth research to build and actually make work. But reducing the need of having to carry fuel tanks and extra components to make the plasma, like VSMR needs, equals a lower, total overall intake of plasma from space to generate thrust. Meaning a cargo ship could carry the original amount of weight as cargo + a percentage of cargo that would replace the weight that the fuel, fuel containers and other systems needed by VSMR would have taken up on the ship.


https://wonders.physics.wisc.edu/pl...t moving charges,that are millions of degrees!


https://www.google.com/search?q=creating+plasma&sxsrf=ALeKk01BVXQHRtPnDkTpIIzgA-SJcmmR9w:1621023820691&ei=TNyeYIPQKcWs5NoPuaa_6As&oq=creating+plasma&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAMyAggAMgIIADICCAAyAggAMgIIADIGCAAQFhAeMgYIABAWEB4yBggAEBYQHjIGCAAQFhAeMgYIABAWEB46BAgjECc6CwgAELEDEIMBEIsDOgcIABBDEIsDOggIABCRAhCLAzoOCC4QsQMQxwEQowIQiwM6CAgAELEDEIsDOgUIABCLAzoKCAAQsQMQQxCLAzoFCAAQkQI6FwguELEDEIMBEMcBEKMCEIsDEKgDEKcDOgcIABCHAhAUOgUILhCxAzoHCAAQsQMQQzoKCC4QxwEQowIQQzoQCC4QsQMQxwEQowIQQxCLAzoUCC4QsQMQxwEQrwEQiwMQpgMQqAM6BQgAELEDOgUIABCSAzoICAAQyQMQiwM6CggAEIcCEBQQiwM6BQguEIsDUKjvAliQ_wJgxoEDaABwAngAgAHEAogBwROSAQgxLjEzLjEuMZgBAKABAaoBB2d3cy13aXq4AQLAAQE&sclient=gws-wiz&ved=0ahUKEwiDpoSogMrwAhVFFlkFHTnTD70Q4dUDCA4&uact=5#kpvalbx=_f9yeYM2yD7uq5NoPrfm_mAk34

 

[sekundant]

https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1361-6382/abe692
I read a very recent article about warp drive.
" Breaking the warp barrier: hyper-fast solitons in Einstein–Maxwell-plasma theory" from Dr. Eric W. Lentz from Universität Göttingen.

Abstract says:

"Solitons in space-time capable of transporting time-like observers at superluminal speeds have long been tied to violations of the weak, strong, and dominant energy conditions of general relativity. The negative-energy sources required for these solitons must be created through energy-intensive uncertainty principle processes as no such classical source is known in particle physics. This paper overcomes this barrier by constructing a class of soliton solutions that are capable of superluminal motion and sourced by purely positive energy densities. The solitons are also shown to be capable of being sourced from the stress–energy of a conducting plasma and classical electromagnetic fields. This is the first example of hyper-fast solitons resulting from known and familiar sources, reopening the discussion of superluminal mechanisms rooted in conventional physics."

I hope, I can see - at least- draft of warp engine in my life time.

I am sure Dr. Lentz gets every possible ressource which he needs for his researches. Since Rektor of Uni Göttingen, Prof.Dr. Metin Tolan, wrote a book called " Die Star Trek Physik"

 

[publiusr]

It would be nice...

 

[Dryson]

https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/sunearth/news/mag-portals.html

If the Earth was replaced by an object generating the same EM/Magentic field of the Earth, would solar winds push against the EM/Magnetic fields that would then propel the object forward due to the objects mass being considerably less than Earth?