Is this Jennifer Lien?

[Triskelion]

The what now - I thought we were talking ST:VOYAGER not a show with something to actually say - like I don't know The Wire

I'm sorry, the point here escapes me. First - all my ranting, this is what I have to defend? Secondly, did I diss The Wire somehow? Or are you saying Voyager wasn't intellectual? I'm sincerely asking. Should I have qualified my statement to rank all possible other genres and series? Because Scooby Doo outlasted The Wire, and you gotta admit, that's pretty smart how they did that.


The very premise of the science fiction genre itself - that it extrapolates upon our techno-social choices of the day - is intellectual and even threatening to a lot of people (beyond television audiences). Did you know the actual Chinese Government has banned popular media depicting time travel? Now second guessing that kind of crap may not be intellectually-stimulating for some, but it throws a little kindling on my woodstove from time to time.

I don't really consider any work of art to be the end of thought on a topic, but only the beginning. As such, some people don't get bored, even with less-understood or poorly communicated ideas.

its just you were playing the whiney song in the word "poor old us sci-fi fans"

No, I wasn't, but I'm not responsible for what you heard for your own reasons. Also, good luck getting others to write to your specifications on the internet. It must be an adventure for you!

Real time travel too or only fiction about time travel?

Real, fictional, the works. Yeah with some countries, you gotta pay attention to the negative space, too.


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[SPCTRE]

the phone repairmen still deserve an apology

 

[Guy Gardener]

But the telephone sanitizers, as always, can suck it.

 

[K'Toska]

I like Jennifer Lien even more now. Too bad she didn't pull this before they canned her from Trek. Maybe then the unimaginative writers who had such a hard time writing for Kes would've had more inspiration from Lien's real life.

 

[Guy Gardener]

You know that they were lying, right?

 

[K'Toska]

Who? What? When? Where? Why?

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Is K'Toska the lovechild of a Tosk and a Klingon?

 

[JoeZhang]

I like Jennifer Lien even more now. Too bad she didn't pull this before they canned her from Trek. Maybe then the unimaginative writers who had such a hard time writing for Kes would've had more inspiration from Lien's real life.

Crack and pies?

 

[K'Toska]

Talk about one ugly ass alien - I wonder which part would be scale and which would be fur. *shudders* K'Toska is a Klingon facing an existential crisis.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Who? What? When? Where? Why?

It was a money problem.

The money had been moved to fire Wang and hire Jeri on for full time.

Once they could't use the money from firing Wang to pay for Jeri, they had to find the Jeri money somewhere else, which is exactly what happened.

Basic laws of conservation.

 

[K'Toska]

I like Jennifer Lien even more now. Too bad she didn't pull this before they canned her from Trek. Maybe then the unimaginative writers who had such a hard time writing for Kes would've had more inspiration from Lien's real life.

Crack and pies?

Not sure how you got "crack and pies" from the article about her crashing into a cop car. Pretty ballsy move on her part, and if I recall, the complaints about Kes were about her being too safe, too naive, and too kind. And anyway, yes, God forbid we have a regular character who is fat.

P.S. I would like her even more if we found out she smoked crack.

 

[K'Toska]

Who? What? When? Where? Why?

It was a money problem.

The money had been moved to fire Wang and hire Jeri on for full time.

Once they could't use the money from firing Wang to pay for Jeri, they had to find the Jeri money somewhere else, which is exactly what happened.

Basic laws of conservation.

Oh yeah I'm aware of that. My post was meant in a mocking tone since throughout the years we've repeatedly heard the excuse that writers just didn't know what to do with her character.

 

[Guy Gardener]

A winkie face now and then, helps delineate subtext.

I was thinking the other day that Before and After, would have been a touchstone Voyager could have kept running into once or twice a season till they got home, as Kes (if she'd stayed) begins to notice Familiarities & discrepancies as the present catches up to her memories of the future.

 

[Triskelion]

the phone repairmen still deserve an apology

I AM SORRY I IMPLIED ANY PHONE REPAIR CONSISTED OF DIALING THE NUMBER 3, OR THAT A PHONE REPAIRMAN WOULD EVER BE UNABLE TO COMPLETE SUCH A REPAIR DURING A CRISIS. CLEARLY I WAS OUT OF LINE TO INVOKE THIS PROFESSION AS ANYTHING OTHER THAN FULLY COMPETENT AND NOBLE. PHONE REPAIRMEN ARE THE BACKBONE OF CIVILIZATION. FURTHERMORE I AM DEEPLY CONTRITE THAT I SHOULD INVOKE PHONE REPAIR IN AN ALLEGORICAL EXAMPLE OF HYPOTHETICAL MALFUNCTION, AND OFFER MY DEEPEST CONDOLENCES TO ANYONE WHOSE MOST SACRED WORLDVIEWS WERE TEMPORARILY SHATTERED BY SUCH PASSING IMPLICATION. CLEARLY SUCH METAPHORS ARE THE THINGS IN NEED OF REPAIR.

1000 BLESSINGS ON THE PHONE REPAIR INDUSTRY, MAY IT ALWAYS REIGN SUPREME.


The only question is, how will phone repairmen keep themselves relevant once their hyper-competence has made the need for phone repair obsolete?

 

[Lynx]

I like Jennifer Lien even more now. Too bad she didn't pull this before they canned her from Trek. Maybe then the unimaginative writers who had such a hard time writing for Kes would've had more inspiration from Lien's real life.

Crack and pies?

Let me remind you that there are no evidence at all about Jennifer Lien doing drugs, neither during her time as a cast member of Voyager nor in the two incidents with the law in recent years. If drugs had been involved, it would have been reported as a felony.

Obviously something has gone wrong in her life but let's not speculate until there are real evidence for what is wrong.

Not to mention that ridiculing someone who's down is really low.

K'Toska wrote:

Not sure how you got "crack and pies" from the article about her crashing into a cop car. Pretty ballsy move on her part, and if I recall, the complaints about Kes were about her being too safe, too naive, and too kind. And anyway, yes, God forbid we have a regular character who is fat.

P.S. I would like her even more if we found out she smoked crack.

Honestly, I like Kes the way she is. Nice and friendly but also curious, determined and brave.

As for crack, in that case they could have turned Voyager into at typical beginninig-of-the21st century doom-amd-gloom-story where everyone have issues and where there's:

No hope, no life, just pain and fear
No food, no love, just greed is here
(To quote Iron Maiden "Childhood's End")

As for fat characters, well Scotty in TOS was rather fat.

And we have Sylvester in "Scorpion", We have that Eli in the incredible boring "Stargate Universe" and that fat chick (I can't remember her name) in that boring doom-and-gloom drama "Criminal Minds".

 

[Guy Gardener]

Actually, I'm not sure about then, but with larger businesses "now" you can't fire someone for a drug/alcohol habit if they have promised that they have quit and that they are seeking authenticated help. Addiction is seen as a medical condition and is insurable and protected legally. Americans with disabilities act even.

They could only fire Jennifer for Drugs, if they suppressed all evidence that drugs were in use and on site, and then invented a different reason to dispose of the little blond girl, otherwise they would have to pay for her rehab, and then find a different excuse to fire her later on down the line.

That being said, Jennifer didn't even look like a drug addict when she was playing a drug addict on American History X, and since the arrest report didn't site any intoxication, we'll just have to assume that she rammed a police car because she was having a bad day.

For all we know the cop could have called her fat, and deserved it.

 

[Lynx]

Actually, I'm not sure about then, but with larger businesses "now" you can't fire someone for a drug/alcohol habit if they have promised that they have quit and that they are seeking authenticated help. Addiction is seen as a medical condition and is insurable and protected legally. Americans with disabilities act even.

They could only fire Jennifer for Drugs, if they suppressed all evidence that drugs were in use and on site, and then invented a different reason to dispose of the little blond girl, otherwise they would have to pay for her rehab, and then find a different excuse to fire her later on down the line.

That being said, Jennifer didn't even look like a drug addict when she was playing a drug addict on American History X, and since the arrest report didn't site any intoxication, we'll just have to assume that she rammed a police car because she was having a bad day.

For all we know the cop could have called her fat, and deserved it.

I have to correct you here. Jennifer didn't play a drug addict in "American History X".

Maybe you're referring to "SLC Punk"? I haven't watched it myself so I don't know what her character in that movie was like.

 

[SPCTRE]

But the telephone sanitizers, as always, can suck it.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

I firmly believe, because I am an optimist who knows that humankind is at its heart good and true and reaching for the stars aka evolving that in the future crack will give us all the (apparent, I speak not from xperience here) HIT that people love with ZERO bad stuff. No addiction, no teeth rot, no fucked up anything. You smoke it on your down time, that time that the Feds let you do what you like with when you're not working for no money and you're FINE. Because in the future drugs have been perfected and you only get the good things out of them.

 

[hux]

Once they could't use the money from firing Wang to pay for Jeri, they had to find the Jeri money somewhere else, which is exactly what happened.

But once they're looking around trying to find someone to fire, the writers must have had an input.

I imagine the conversation went something like this:-

Moneyman: Who should we fire?
Writers: The doctor. After all, we love writing him and definitely have an arc that we know and understand and Picardo's performances are sublime.
Moneyman: Really?
Writers: No you dumb fuck-Jaffa. Fire the girl whose character we hate writing because we don't know what the hell to do with her.
Moneyman: Oh yeah, that makes more sense.