Is this Jennifer Lien?

[K'Toska]

I firmly believe, because I am an optimist who knows that humankind is at its heart good and true and reaching for the stars aka evolving that in the future crack will give us all the (apparent, I speak not from xperience here) HIT that people love with ZERO bad stuff. No addiction, no teeth rot, no fucked up anything. You smoke it on your down time, that time that the Feds let you do what you like with when you're not working for no money and you're FINE. Because in the future drugs have been perfected and you only get the good things out of them.

For real, this seems way more realistic to me. People act like because life may improve in the future, no one would do drugs anymore. I don't buy it. Humans have a long history of experimenting with drugs. Non-human animals do as well. Hell, some monkeys like to get drunk. I also don't think all drugs are used for escapism. People often use them for enhancement or all sorts of other things. Shit, I know so many fellow science majors who are prescribed Desoxyn (methamphetamine) because of the long hours they have to spend in the lab. Some anesthesiologists have taken to abusing propofol because without it, they can't get enough sleep. It makes sense that they'd take something that can give you deep sleep but in a short period of time. I'd rather have an anesthesiologist doing that than not sleeping at all and then trying to put me under. And the idea of using something like LSD to escape your problems... LOL. I dunno, I use Star Trek more for escapism than I've ever used drugs for that purpose!

 

[K'Toska]

The nine year life-span was a mistake. They should have given her a human life-span or even longer than that from the start.

Or they could have corrected it which I tink they would have done sooner or later. There were some hints for that in episodes like "Cold Fire" and "Before And After".

The most interesting with Kes wasn't the lifespan (which hardly was mentioned) but her personality!

Nice and friendly but also determined, strong willed and curious. Not to mention that she was a great complement and contrast to more typical female action characters like Janeway, Torres and later on Seven.

I really liked that they didn't force the "strong woman" role on Kes just because she's a female in sci-fi. We got to see someone who was thrust into life on a ship without any prior experience. We also got to see her develop into someone distinctly different from who she was at the start of the series. And I totally agree that she was a good complement to Janeway. I really wish Kes had stayed on. I didn't like 7 of 9 at first but I think it would've been cool to see Kes help her the way she helped the EMH. Hell, maybe I just wanted to see Voyager turn into a predominantly female cast lol.

I also have to say Jennifer Lien has one of the most beautiful voices I've ever heard. So sultry and calming. I hope that things get better for her. I feel really bad about what's going on in her life currently. Obviously I don't know her personally and can't say for sure that things have gone downhill because of what happened in Voyager, but I can't help but think that had something to do with this. That isn't to say we should blame TPTB in Voyager for it, but it makes this situation especially sad in my opinion.

 

[Frontier]

Because she won't do conventions.

Is there a short/simple answer as to why she won't do them?

Not sure if this was ever seriously answered, but what I've heard is that she's a very shy and quiet person and apparently many convention organizers who've hosted her found her to be too quiet and shy. She doesn't perform well at said events so they just aren't too keen to have her.

Most actors know they have to put on a bit of a show. Be fun, be funny if possible, be bold. She's never been that sort of person apparently, and just like how Kes the character was often soft-spoke and a bit subdued, so too is Lien in those type of particular scenarios.

She also has a tendency to cancel last-minute for whatever reason (stage fright?) and so that makes organizers nervous as well to have her billed when they know it's a 70% chance she won't show.

 

[WoTe]

Why are they allowed to give her full name AND her address? Honestly, I'm curious, why can they do that?

.

Media outlets use such information, full name and age and address, not for the sake of ridicule, but as a means to further and more specifically identify the individual in question. It's also a bit of CYA, so that everyone with the same first and last name doesn't get up in arms about being accused of some sort of misdeed.

If a media outlet said "Joe Smith was arrested for DUI after an accident that killed 43 innocent tribbles", then every Joe Smith within 20 parsecs would probably be hiring lawyers and talking lawsuit. By saying, "Joe Tiberius Smith III, age 93, of 4747 Mockingtarg Lane was arrested for DUI after an accident that killed 43 innocent tribbles", that's pretty specific.

Not defending the practice, just passing along what I learned from a few years in the TV news biz.

I wish defendant info wasn't released until after conviction.

I'm so tired of police raiding a house and saying "We found drug paraphernalia" and it turning out to be a mason jar, a spoon, a knife, and a kitchen scale.

Prosecutors and police effectively have the power of libel without any culpability for it, and tainting the jury pool ahead of time.

 

[T'Girl]

Arrests are public information, just as are convictions, sentences, and release dates.

The alternatives are basically secrecy.

 

[Guy Gardener]

There should be one law for common people, and a different law for celebrities, just like there's one prison for common people and a more human prison for people of a particular bearing or taxbracket.

Seriously, if poor people could could get into rich people prison, there would be way more crime.

 

[borgboy]

The nine year life-span was a mistake. They should have given her a human life-span or even longer than that from the start.

Or they could have corrected it which I tink they would have done sooner or later. There were some hints for that in episodes like "Cold Fire" and "Before And After".

The most interesting with Kes wasn't the lifespan (which hardly was mentioned) but her personality!

Nice and friendly but also determined, strong willed and curious. Not to mention that she was a great complement and contrast to more typical female action characters like Janeway, Torres and later on Seven.

I like the Ocampa short life span, it's different and it gives Kes a different perspective. Realizing her life is so short compared to the rest of Voyager's crew, she doesn't feel sorry for herself but instead is more committed to living her life to the fullest.
The groundwork was laid in the series for her finding ways to extend her life. I always suspected the short Ocampan life span and their limit of one pregnancy were limitations put on them by the Caretaker and/or Suspiria to keep their population low and easier to control. That could've been something Kes learned to break.
On a side note, I always found it sad that Kes had memories of her daughter and grandson even after she knew they would never be born.
Does anyone know what plans were in place, even vague plans, for Kes if she had stayed? I wonder if there was ever a plan for Kes and Tom to get together and have their baby? Would Kes have died in the series finale? I could see something like what happened in The Gift happening to her in the end, ascending to a higher plane at her moment of death.

 

[stardream]

The nine year life-span was a mistake. They should have given her a human life-span or even longer than that from the start.

Or they could have corrected it which I tink they would have done sooner or later. There were some hints for that in episodes like "Cold Fire" and "Before And After".

The most interesting with Kes wasn't the lifespan (which hardly was mentioned) but her personality!

Nice and friendly but also determined, strong willed and curious. Not to mention that she was a great complement and contrast to more typical female action characters like Janeway, Torres and later on Seven.

I like the Ocampa short life span, it's different and it gives Kes a different perspective. Realizing her life is so short compared to the rest of Voyager's crew, she doesn't feel sorry for herself but instead is more committed to living her life to the fullest.
The groundwork was laid in the series for her finding ways to extend her life. I always suspected the short Ocampan life span and their limit of one pregnancy were limitations put on them by the Caretaker and/or Suspiria to keep their population low and easier to control. That could've been something Kes learned to break.
On a side note, I always found it sad that Kes had memories of her daughter and grandson even after she knew they would never be born.
Does anyone know what plans were in place, even vague plans, for Kes if she had stayed? I wonder if there was ever a plan for Kes and Tom to get together and have their baby? Would Kes have died in the series finale? I could see something like what happened in The Gift happening to her in the end, ascending to a higher plane at her moment of death.

Somewhere I read or watched an interview that the Powers that be had decided they were going to put Tom and B'elanna together back during The Swarm (I'm sorry I can't remember the source at the moment but it was real) so Before and After was more than likely supposed to stay in the 'alternate timeline' file.

As to what they were going to do with Kes if she had stayed...I have no idea but like you I would like to know.

 

[borgboy]

I never would've guessed that they planned to pair B'Elanna and Tom together that early. At that point I didn't see them showing much interest in each other. They did work out well, I liked them, but I did like Tom and Kes too. My preferred pairing for Kes is the Doctor though. I'm more invested in the idea of Kes having her daughter. I've had the idea before of an AU where Kes asks Tom to father her child without the romance after Before and After, even though I know it's highly unlikely it would've ever happened.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Tom's Journey is predictably archetypical?

Bad boy womanising rebel manchild who flaunts the rules... (cough, 5 years later.) ...Perfect officer and family man who loyally respects his wife and stands up for core values.

(Which is exactly like how the Happy Days Producers castrated Fonzie.)

If you could anticipate that from watching Caretaker, then "someone" had to be his spouse, so after the wom'n drew straws, whosoever didn't die, or #### off, was going to be relegated to a bit part in Tom's grand story.

Kes only got Tom if B'Elanna died, but who did Tom inflict himself on after first B'Elanna and then then (old) Kes died (In the Before and After timeline)?

This is not how real life is "supposed" to work, but this is how fictional stories work.

 

[stardream]

I never would've guessed that they planned to pair B'Elanna and Tom together that early. At that point I didn't see them showing much interest in each other. They did work out well, I liked them, but I did like Tom and Kes too. My preferred pairing for Kes is the Doctor though. I'm more invested in the idea of Kes having her daughter. I've had the idea before of an AU where Kes asks Tom to father her child without the romance after Before and After, even though I know it's highly unlikely it would've ever happened.

I wish I could remember where I read/heard that interview/articcle but apparently someone liked Dawson and McNeil's chemistry in the opening scene of that episode...they even made them re-tape it a few times and told the actors that they were going to be the 'beta couple' (I guess at that time they were going to continue to tease Janeway and Chakotay) and that should play their parts that way...something the actors did not like in the beginning because they thought it would limit their characters to being a couple and they would not have their own stories and adventures. In the end they both came around because as we know the characters, while staying a couple, did have their own stories.

I admit I'm feeling a bit frustrated that I can't remember where I saw that but its been a while.

I have no problem with Tom and Kes really falling in love. He had feelings for her early on and if he spent time with her, crying on her shoulder or whatever I could see those feelings returning and if she helped him through the grieving process she probably saw the 'real' Tom and fell in love with him as well. It was believable to me.

Its the whole Kim marrying their daughter that makes me cringe.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Imagine if no one would date Lynnis Paris?

"Mommy, am I ugly?"

As long as you'd never babysat the lady or changed her diapers, you should be eligible for her dating pool.

Of course considering the impending geriatric care she's nigh anticipating, knowing that a man can clean her bottom well in the past is good news for the Ocampan Doctor's future.

 

[Lance]

Just imagine: if history had taken a different course, and the producers had've been able to fire Garrett Wang's ass instead of Jenny Lien's, then it probably would've been headlines about Garrett being in trouble that we'd been hearing about today.

Which would've at least have provided for an amusing post-script to Harry's lack-of-screen-career-advancement.

See, this is what happens when a butterfly flaps its wings.

 

[borgboy]

Kim and Lynnis are the grossest couple. As Tom's best friend Kim would've been far too present in Lynnis's whole childhood.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Kes left home just after she'd turned one years old.

Lets call that 18.

1/18th of a human year (3 weeks.) equals one Ocampan year.

The Toddling in Nappies stage lasted 6 weeks at most.

Of course, that's if an Ocampan growth cycle was proportionate to a human's growth cycle, which it clearly is not.

We saw some massive spurts towards geriatricy near the end of Kes' life, which it's not insane to assume also happens at the beginning of their life cycle too.

An Ocampan could be an adolecent in weeks, and a "relative" adult in months.

Kim could have been away on a long mission for a month and completely missed Lynnis' childhood.

 

[borgboy]

I just can't imagine how incredibly awkward it must have been when Harry started dating Lynnis. Even knowing the eccentricities of the Ocampan life cycle Tom couldn't have took that well.
The whole thing just adds to my general dislike of Harry. I am almost certain Lynnis probably started out calling him Uncle Harry.
I think since Lynnis is half human she was aging slower anyways wasn't she?

 

[Guy Gardener]

Fertility is at 3, and death is at nine.

Kes should have been 6 or 7 when Andrew was born depending on the length of gestation.

Andrew was less than one years old when Kes died at 9.

Human dna was making Lynnis and Andrew age a little slower, but not by much.

Oh.

"Uncy Hawwy."

Jessica Collins has done 426 episodes of The Young and the Restless in the last 4 years.



I doubt that she remembers being on Voyager.

 

[Lynx]

I just can't imagine how incredibly awkward it must have been when Harry started dating Lynnis. Even knowing the eccentricities of the Ocampan life cycle Tom couldn't have took that well.
The whole thing just adds to my general dislike of Harry. I am almost certain Lynnis probably started out calling him Uncle Harry.
I think since Lynnis is half human she was aging slower anyways wasn't she?

Honestly, I did find this scenario creepy too. Much more creepy than the Kes-neelix relationship ever was. But as it ws an alternative future episode, I didn't bother too much about it.

Tom and Kes was OK. If Kes should end up with anybody on that ship, that relationship would have been the best.

 

[stardream]

I never would've guessed that they planned to pair B'Elanna and Tom together that early. At that point I didn't see them showing much interest in each other..

Star Trek Voyager Ruminations video on youtube mentions this. He gets to it around 10:29 minute mark. I'm not sure what his source was for this.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Lynnis

Just FYI, it's spelled Linnis.