Is this Jennifer Lien?
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I will one day learn to forgive you.
Like it?
Coincidentally, Juggernaut is awful, just ridiculous, unpleasant even, but it's irresponsible to use the Nielsens as a metric to value the Worthlessness of Juggernaut vs. all the other catastrophic mistakes Berman made around Juggernaut's Scooby-dooesque premiere.
"Sigh"
The Fight is 10 times worse than Juggernaut, and Someone to Watch Over Me is ridiculous because it begins a love affair that is never pursued and forgotten like an eggy burp until Endgame when Seven is asking for contraceptives to frakk Chakotay.
The general decline towards zero viewers is what Voyager deserved and earned, so how Juggernaut became a pothole in that inclination is just rude, wouldn't you agree?
Coincidentally, Juggernaut is awful, just ridiculous, unpleasant even, but it's irresponsible to use the Nielsens as a metric to value the Worthlessness of Juggernaut vs. all the other catastrophic mistakes Berman made around Juggernaut's Scooby-dooesque premiere.
"Sigh"
The Fight is 10 times worse than Juggernaut, and Someone to Watch Over Me is ridiculous because it begins a love affair that is never pursued and forgotten like an eggy burp until Endgame when Seven is asking for contraceptives to frakk Chakotay.
The general decline towards zero viewers is what Voyager deserved and earned, so how Juggernaut became a pothole in that inclination is just rude, wouldn't you agree?
Oh boy. Bummer for her.
Weighing in late....
Saying a writer can't write a certain character is like saying he can't use adjectives. Um, it's what writing is, it's what writers do. That's like saying a phone repairman can't dial the number three. That's what they do.
No, it is not nice to make fun of people for any reason and furthermore you could take a microscope to anyone's life and see almost any manner of depravity if you're looking for it. The human mind is capable of great evil and great goodness, that is everyone's lot in life and no one is above it, least of all the finger pointers and torch-wielding rabble. Often the need to belittle says more than anything the belittler may accuse.
All I can say is thank goodness I don't have to talk about a job I had 20 years ago to anyone today. Cause you know what? I can't remember what I did, and I guarantee I'm not the same person I was then, and even then, few people really knew me then, as few really know me today. It's hard getting to know people because a) you have to ask questions and listen to the answers, and b) you have to give a crap about someone else. 20 years ago - ha, I must have said and did some things I would consider idiotic today. I liked how Highlander dressed, for feklar's sake.
Some of us uglies get by purely on merit; we don't have any idea what it's like to be valued and judged purely on appearance and youthfulness. I can only guess for us it'd be like going to a class reunion when you're jobless and broke. Not only do I not care if someone chooses to identify with a job they had a million years ago; their reasoning is their own business.
Fictionally speaking, the character Kes is singularly responsible for giving life to who would eventually be regarded as a legal Citizen of the Federation - the EMH. She made a new citizen possible, and in so doing, saved countless lives on the ship and in the quadrant through the EMH's own emerging life. Kes, more than any other character, could have given Seven of Nine a non-human model of femininity and empathy to learn from, turning the former "child" into the big sister to help guide Seven's vestigial pre-adolescence. Kes, a species that ages fully in nine year life span, should have undergone incredible fits of personality changes during that time. bereft of other Ocampa to guide her. Tell me you can't write for a species that lives for a decade - BAH! A child could do it.
And finally, when something bad happens to people, look past the mug shots. Mug shots make everyone look like a menace to society. That's what they do.
I can guarantee an innocent admiration for a TV show that uses science is cause for mockery and belittling among plenty of so-called "normal" people in the world. People who don't like sci fi, sure, don't get the intellectual stuff, fine, don't have time for TV, great, and also those who just feel threatened by crap they don't understand cause they didn't work in school so now they have big mouths to distract from their empty skulls - super. I can guarantee they would look at almost anyone on this board with a "hairy eyeball." Oh and of course let's not forget the powers that be, ever-wary of the socially-conscious types.
Just don't tell me we live in a world where nobody but criminals break any law, that everyone's motives are always charitable, that "helping" others was always for them and not for power tripping over them, that every person you checked out you can guarantee was legally an adult, that you never ate a grape in the supermarket or lost your temper or called somebody who pissed you off a rude name under your breath...ok? Because believing THAT shit is crazy. Pardon my French.
Saying a writer can't write a certain character is like saying he can't use adjectives. Um, it's what writing is, it's what writers do. That's like saying a phone repairman can't dial the number three. That's what they do.
No, it is not nice to make fun of people for any reason and furthermore you could take a microscope to anyone's life and see almost any manner of depravity if you're looking for it. The human mind is capable of great evil and great goodness, that is everyone's lot in life and no one is above it, least of all the finger pointers and torch-wielding rabble. Often the need to belittle says more than anything the belittler may accuse.
All I can say is thank goodness I don't have to talk about a job I had 20 years ago to anyone today. Cause you know what? I can't remember what I did, and I guarantee I'm not the same person I was then, and even then, few people really knew me then, as few really know me today. It's hard getting to know people because a) you have to ask questions and listen to the answers, and b) you have to give a crap about someone else. 20 years ago - ha, I must have said and did some things I would consider idiotic today. I liked how Highlander dressed, for feklar's sake.
Some of us uglies get by purely on merit; we don't have any idea what it's like to be valued and judged purely on appearance and youthfulness. I can only guess for us it'd be like going to a class reunion when you're jobless and broke. Not only do I not care if someone chooses to identify with a job they had a million years ago; their reasoning is their own business.
Fictionally speaking, the character Kes is singularly responsible for giving life to who would eventually be regarded as a legal Citizen of the Federation - the EMH. She made a new citizen possible, and in so doing, saved countless lives on the ship and in the quadrant through the EMH's own emerging life. Kes, more than any other character, could have given Seven of Nine a non-human model of femininity and empathy to learn from, turning the former "child" into the big sister to help guide Seven's vestigial pre-adolescence. Kes, a species that ages fully in nine year life span, should have undergone incredible fits of personality changes during that time. bereft of other Ocampa to guide her. Tell me you can't write for a species that lives for a decade - BAH! A child could do it.
And finally, when something bad happens to people, look past the mug shots. Mug shots make everyone look like a menace to society. That's what they do.
I can guarantee an innocent admiration for a TV show that uses science is cause for mockery and belittling among plenty of so-called "normal" people in the world. People who don't like sci fi, sure, don't get the intellectual stuff, fine, don't have time for TV, great, and also those who just feel threatened by crap they don't understand cause they didn't work in school so now they have big mouths to distract from their empty skulls - super. I can guarantee they would look at almost anyone on this board with a "hairy eyeball." Oh and of course let's not forget the powers that be, ever-wary of the socially-conscious types.
Just don't tell me we live in a world where nobody but criminals break any law, that everyone's motives are always charitable, that "helping" others was always for them and not for power tripping over them, that every person you checked out you can guarantee was legally an adult, that you never ate a grape in the supermarket or lost your temper or called somebody who pissed you off a rude name under your breath...ok? Because believing THAT shit is crazy. Pardon my French.
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20 years ago in the pilot, Kes' boyfriend broke her out of jail and they went on the lamb.
"lam".
(sorry)
(sorry)
Oh, I always thought that it had something to do with sheepskin condoms.
Simple Star Trek fatigue. TNG rehashed unfortunately. Enterprise being 3rd time isn't the charm.
Team should've learned that you can't start off with an interesting premise and then run back and just do the same old show an episode or two after premiere and expect the mass audience to buy it.
The what now - I thought we were talking ST:VOYAGER not a show with something to actually say - like I don't know The Wire
Nice of the article to list her home address. Is that really necessary?
The mass audience bought it for 19 years.
(Less than a million people, per episode, were watching the final season of Enterprise.)
Of course if you want to be completely honest, a great deal of TNG in the beginning was bought by no one. Someone in marketing was giving it away to affiliates for free, in exchange for some of the ad space (And the permission to air TOS reruns. Seriously, if you wouldn't take TNG for free, they wouldn't let you buy TOS.), which increased the ratings, which increased how much they could charge for ads, and the likelihood of renewal.
Win/Win.
(Less than a million people, per episode, were watching the final season of Enterprise.)
Of course if you want to be completely honest, a great deal of TNG in the beginning was bought by no one. Someone in marketing was giving it away to affiliates for free, in exchange for some of the ad space (And the permission to air TOS reruns. Seriously, if you wouldn't take TNG for free, they wouldn't let you buy TOS.), which increased the ratings, which increased how much they could charge for ads, and the likelihood of renewal.
Win/Win.
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Those are actually a wee bit gross. Made from intestinal linings.
Regular condoms are made out of 70 million year old dinosaur shit.
(Yes, I know it's not.)
(Yes, I know it's not.)
I'm sorry, the point here escapes me. First - all my ranting, this is what I have to defend? Secondly, did I diss The Wire somehow? Or are you saying Voyager wasn't intellectual? I'm sincerely asking. Should I have qualified my statement to rank all possible other genres and series? Because Scooby Doo outlasted The Wire, and you gotta admit, that's pretty smart how they did that.
The very premise of the science fiction genre itself - that it extrapolates upon our techno-social choices of the day - is intellectual and even threatening to a lot of people (beyond television audiences). Did you know the actual Chinese Government has banned popular media depicting time travel? Now second guessing that kind of crap may not be intellectually-stimulating for some, but it throws a little kindling on my woodstove from time to time.
I don't really consider any work of art to be the end of thought on a topic, but only the beginning. As such, some people don't get bored, even with less-understood or poorly communicated ideas.http://www.trekbbs.com//www.pinterest.com/pin/create/extension/
Real time travel too or only fiction about time travel?
I'm sorry, the point here escapes me. First - all my ranting, this is what I have to defend? Secondly, did I diss The Wire somehow? Or are you saying Voyager wasn't intellectual? I'm sincerely asking. Should I have qualified my statement to rank all possible other genres and series? Because Scooby Doo outlasted The Wire, and you gotta admit, that's pretty smart how they did that.
The very premise of the science fiction genre itself - that it extrapolates upon our techno-social choices of the day - is intellectual and even threatening to a lot of people (beyond television audiences). Did you know the actual Chinese Government has banned popular media depicting time travel? Now second guessing that kind of crap may not be intellectually-stimulating for some, but it throws a little kindling on my woodstove from time to time.
I don't really consider any work of art to be the end of thought on a topic, but only the beginning. As such, some people don't get bored, even with less-understood or poorly communicated ideas.http://www.trekbbs.com//www.pinterest.com/pin/create/extension/
its just you were playing the whiney song in the word "poor old us sci-fi fans"
