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Is it time to put Star Trek to rest?
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Adam West remains the definitive Batman. I will die on this hill.
The paradox of all this is that the quest to dodge canon only ends up creating NEW canon.
I don't think you'd be alone old chum.
Every other live action Batman has to play second or third fiddle to Adam and Keaton.
Since the entire Burn happened due to a Kelpian's temper tantrum, and Discovery (and Short Trecks) spent some time on Kelpiens, I think they can go offstage for awhile. There is a half JemHadar character.
The galaxy has probably been been mapped and understood for the better part now for almost a millenia, even if not every star is visited. They should have known any warp-capable species. So while yes, they could show the thousands of species that have been contacted, they do have to reign it in.
And since Discovery seasons 3-5 didn't deal with Klingons, I'm glad to see how they wound up.
SFA so far has characters who are previously unseen hybrids, as well as Dar-Sha, Khionian, and Kasquians: 3 species never seen before and main characters. Since this show doesn't have an enemy of the week, what exactly should they be doing?
They have to rein it in.
I think I'm interested in new canon.
Just like the last couple of times. They’ll get similar responses, too.
I mean, any new story creates new canon. One can’t avoid it. Even “avoiding canon”, so-called, creates new canon. And somebody always declares that it breaks something.
Well, no, and I don’t care if The Last Starship seemed to claim that they had.
You know the largest, most expansive space opera series or franchise or saga you’ve ever consumed, whatever it is? With hundreds or thousands of actually visited-in-story star systems?
Picture a nice big poster of the Milky Way. Now put a dot on it.
Expand that dot to a poster itself. Put a dot on that.
Those thousands, or even millions of systems? Put them together, and that’s a fraction of the dot-in-a-dot.
Even at Star Trek’s level, thousands of warp drive starships and all, you’ll never meet most of the galaxy. Maybe after millions of years, if that.
Mapped, as points on the starchart database, sure. Met, visited, understood? Not a chance.
Fictional starmaps showing significant (I.e. visible) chunks of the galaxy owned by a single power are basically silly, having no real idea of just how much is in whichever chunk of space is represented.
Discovery did invent a new antagonist with Species 10-C on top of taking the series to the future, and people complained. Even if the 10-C were one of the best versions of an alien race the franchise has ever done. Finally, a non-humanoid species that communicates in a totally alien method.
This franchise is damned if you do, damned if you don't.
These days, aren’t they all?
I like the clean slate created by the Burn (regardless that I think the cause is stupid).
I don't like the clutter coming back onto that slate with all the member berries and references that feel like an attempt to go out of their way to scream "see! We are Star Trek"!
I'll complain yet again about the limited season format. This hinders the world building. Every needs crammed into a small space. It's too much and doesn't allow anything to breathe.
I don't like the creative choices being made that prevents modern Trek from being open to everyone. The streaming only option is irrelevant, but the liberties allowed by streaming restricts Trek from younger viewers. Trek needs to be available to all ages. It used to be an adult show that younger viewers could still access. Now it feels like they are trying for a TVMA rating. The foul language is out of place. A franchise built on messages, morals, and meanings needs to be accessible to the audience where that foundation can have the most impact.
But that ship has sailed and we now have pigeon holed Trek. You like classic Trek? Try SNW. You are under 16? Go watch PRO. Under 6? SCOUTS is for you. Oh, opps, Prodigy ended and SNW and SFA do not air at the same time. Everyone go wait your turn or satisfy yourself with reruns.
But yeah, the post-Burn fresh start could work if they take advantage of it.
I don't like the clutter coming back onto that slate with all the member berries and references that feel like an attempt to go out of their way to scream "see! We are Star Trek"!
I'll complain yet again about the limited season format. This hinders the world building. Every needs crammed into a small space. It's too much and doesn't allow anything to breathe.
I don't like the creative choices being made that prevents modern Trek from being open to everyone. The streaming only option is irrelevant, but the liberties allowed by streaming restricts Trek from younger viewers. Trek needs to be available to all ages. It used to be an adult show that younger viewers could still access. Now it feels like they are trying for a TVMA rating. The foul language is out of place. A franchise built on messages, morals, and meanings needs to be accessible to the audience where that foundation can have the most impact.
But that ship has sailed and we now have pigeon holed Trek. You like classic Trek? Try SNW. You are under 16? Go watch PRO. Under 6? SCOUTS is for you. Oh, opps, Prodigy ended and SNW and SFA do not air at the same time. Everyone go wait your turn or satisfy yourself with reruns.
But yeah, the post-Burn fresh start could work if they take advantage of it.
Hardly. Maybe by some very generous usage of Drake Equation. But Drake Equations didn't take into account the idea that the galaxy would have multiple species time traveling, going faster than light and making the equivalent of the 19th century Grab For Africa for any valuable world or rock world they could get their hands on, a product that in this fictional universe, most of these great powers came into existence nearly at the same time, on the cosmic time scale. Anyone who comes late to that party is going to be wiped out, dine at the kid's table, or simply be treated like modern day Sentinalese islanders.
By the era of Voyager communications were established that more or less opened understanding to all four quadrants. Any culture capable of travelling between stars or reaching somewhere between Kardashev Scale 1 or 2, would be noticed, unless they went all "Dark Forest" hypothesis and deliberately hid, which has been seen before in Star Trek.
And this is without taking into account the damages caused by the Temporal Wars and any potential Kelvan Empire invasion, if it has happened already.
But that is the nature of the show. And since it's all based on impossible, or impassable physics, that's what we go on.
The problem with DISCO wasn't Species 10-C (which was a great concept and executed well) or going so far into the future.
It was the meandering and total slog of stretching a story worth about 5-6 episodes, at best, into 13. The writing just was terrible on multiple fronts across all the seasons.
The 10C were great. Season 4 is also IMO the only good DIS season. It's the only one where the badguys don't have countless faceless mooks that get gunned down by our heroes, and the only one that doesn't end with some stupid action schlock.
As a result - this season is SO different from the rest of the series - dorks like me who don't like DIS in general like it - but the actual fans of DIS, the people who stayed & liked the style of the previous 3 seasons - don't like it.
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