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Is Disney "Star Wars" universe imploding?

In TFA, I liked how Rey stopped herself from getting captured from Takodana by fighting off Kylo and preventing him from using his Force powers on her. Speaking of which, I also liked how Kylo's use of his Force powers on Rey while she was on Starkiller Base gave Rey no opportunity to learn about using the Force against people. I especially liked how she'd heard nothing about the exploits of the Jedi and so had no idea what the range of their powers were back in the days of the Republic.
She's captured, I'll give you that. But she then escapes by herself and would have probably got off the base by herself if she hadn't run into Han and Finn. That's one loss so far which turne out to be a boon in the long run narrative wise because it got her where she needed to be. Luke's failures are just general failures.
Does anyone remember when we used to complain about Luke being a whiny baby? How pathetic he was? How useless? Now we're having to convince people he isn't a ubermensch.
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Why do you find a competent, resourceful woman so unbelievable? :shrug:
Because it's an ensemble movie where the cast outside of Rey is more or less useless. If you want a movie about one cast member then fine but they're putting this forward as an ensemble movie. Alien is a a movie about one main cast member and thus she kicks ass. Fine no complaints. Star Wars just has Finn following around like a lost puppy and Poe kind of just smouldering on the side lines but no this is a ensemble movie. Where we cast greats like christie gwendoline who appears for like five minutes to be beaten up by the janitor, twice.
 
Because it's an ensemble movie where the cast outside of Rey is more or less useless. If you want a movie about one cast member then fine but they're putting this forward as an ensemble movie. Alien is a a movie about one main cast member and thus she kicks ass. Fine no complaints. Star Wars just has Finn following around like a lost puppy and Poe kind of just smouldering on the side lines but no this is a ensemble movie. Where we cast greats like christie gwendoline who appears for like five minutes to be beaten up by the janitor, twice.

Right, because Han and Chewbacca don't set off the bombs that give Poe the opportunity to destroy Starkiller Base. Because Finn doesn't do a lot in the movie: shoot his way out of the Star Destroyer at the beginning, he doesn't fight his way with the saber on Takodana, he doesn't have information vital to the plan of destroying Starkiller. Nah. He's just a useless janitor.

And Gwendoline Christie is a competent actress, sure. She is not what I would consider a "great."
 
Because it's an ensemble movie where the cast outside of Rey is more or less useless. If you want a movie about one cast member then fine but they're putting this forward as an ensemble movie. Alien is a a movie about one main cast member and thus she kicks ass. Fine no complaints. Star Wars just has Finn following around like a lost puppy and Poe kind of just smouldering on the side lines but no this is a ensemble movie. Where we cast greats like christie gwendoline who appears for like five minutes to be beaten up by the janitor, twice.
Poe is the “bestest pilot ever”, can do anything from a X-Wing and most handsome man in the galaxy. Finn’s knowledge of the First Order has been key to the success of several plans in both movies and is pretty decent with a lightsaber for a non-Force user. Calling them useless ignores everything on screen. It seems like you didn’t even watch the movies.
 
We are not told Luke is good at fighting and lo and behold he loose his fight. We aren't told Rey is exceptionally good at anything other than machines and yet out flies and out fights people no problem.
No, we see her do things. We see her try things, succeed at some, fail at others. Just like all the other characters.

We never see Luke pilot anything before being stuck in a combat fighter to take on the largest military installation in the galaxy, and despite Rey's prowess at flying, she barely pilots anything after the Falcon.
In TFA, I liked how Rey stopped herself from getting captured from Takodana by fighting off Kylo and preventing him from using his Force powers on her. Speaking of which, I also liked how Kylo's use of his Force powers on Rey while she was on Starkiller Base gave Rey no opportunity to learn about using the Force against people. I especially liked how she'd heard nothing about the exploits of the Jedi and so had no idea what the range of their powers were back in the days of the Republic.
I especially love how we never see her fight off anyone else before and must be recused constantly.
 
@Kibbin do you have any idea how much you seem to be stretching here to find some reason to differentiate between them and find fault with Rey?

You are literally performing mental gymnastics in real time now trying one reason after another to find an ever more narrowly contrived criteria on which your criticism is based. Anything at all other than the simple and screamingly obvious fact of her being female?
 
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@Kibbin do you have any idea how much you seem to be stretching here to find some reason to differentiate between them and find fault with Rey?

You are literally performing mental gymnastics in real time now trying one reason after another to make an ever more narrowly contrived criteria on which your criticism is based. Anything at all other than the simple and screamingly obvious fact of her being female?
Or I am listing many different reasons for why I find Rey badly written. I.M.O. A problem that goes back to the writer and director who are both white men not Rey is in an imaginary character and thus her gender has no bearing on me. Especially as it is not linked to the plot in any way such as the Aliens series.
 
In TFA, I liked how Rey stopped herself from getting captured from Takodana by fighting off Kylo and preventing him from using his Force powers on her. Speaking of which, I also liked how Kylo's use of his Force powers on Rey while she was on Starkiller Base gave Rey no opportunity to learn about using the Force against people. I especially liked how she'd heard nothing about the exploits of the Jedi and so had no idea what the range of their powers were back in the days of the Republic.

Yep! Cause Rey is good at everything. No explanation needed. If you want one, we'll apply some twisted logic and Throw Luke and Anakin back in your face because they're male, and insinuate you're sexist for even bringing up the issue. No questions! We are the artbitrators of truth on this board don't you know.:censored:
 
Yes, because Luke and Anakin get accepted without question while Rey must fight for acceptance. How dare we point that out :shrug::sigh:
Because the writing is bad just as people who complain about Anakan and his poor writing in the prequels are not man haters but haters of poor writing.
 
Because the writing is bad just as people who complain about Anakan and his poor writing in the prequels are not man haters but haters of poor writing.
Yes, and I never hear any one defend Anakin in the PT...oh wait.

The point is if Rey is poorly written so is Anakin and Luke.
 
Yes, and I never hear any one defend Anakin in the PT...oh wait.

The point is if Rey is poorly written so is Anakin and Luke.
They are poorly written no one has held George up as a bastion of good writing. It's just that JJ and Rian have managed to be worse. And loads of people are bashing the prequels. Hasn't someone just started a new thread on what people found wrong with the prequels. Ani is terribly written both in dialogue and well general. I don't know how to sum up the wrogness of how he acts to Padme and worse she responds because guess what terrible writing.
 
They are poorly written no one has held George up as a bastion of good writing. It's just that JJ and Rian have managed to be worse. And loads of people are bashing the prequels. Hasn't someone just started a new thread on what people found wrong with the prequels. Ani is terribly written both in dialogue and well general. I don't know how to sum up the wrogness of how he acts to Padme and worse she responds because guess what terrible writing.
That is where you and I disagree. JJ and Rian are not worse. Anakin is powerful because...reasons. Rey has skills that she has acquired for over a decade trying to survive on a miserable planet, from combat to flight to repair machines. We don't need to be told anything. We are shown it. We are told a lot about Anakin but it hardly shows up. That's the difference.
 
That is where you and I disagree. JJ and Rian are not worse. Anakin is powerful because...reasons. Rey has skills that she has acquired for over a decade trying to survive on a miserable planet, from combat to flight to repair machines. We don't need to be told anything. We are shown it. We are told a lot about Anakin but it hardly shows up. That's the difference.
I would say the prequels are as bad as the sequels and vice versa both in writing and characterisation. I've gone into more detail on that somewhere else so I won't bog this thread down with it again. However we are told Ani can fly we see that. We are not told he can fight so we don't see him win a fight until, once again we have a gap and can fill it in for ourselves.
 
Or I am listing many different reasons for why I find Rey badly written. I.M.O. A problem that goes back to the writer and director who are both white men not Rey is in an imaginary character and thus her gender has no bearing on me. Especially as it is not linked to the plot in any way such as the Aliens series.

Nonsense.

Literally utter nonsense.

Yep! Cause Rey is good at everything. No explanation needed. If you want one, we'll apply some twisted logic and Throw Luke and Anakin back in your face because they're male, and insinuate you're sexist for even bringing up the issue. No questions! We are the artbitrators of truth on this board don't you know.:censored:

What twisted logic would that be? The "explanations" represent an ever shifted retreat to find something, anything, wrong that isn't a simple admission of the blatant sexism which isn't even remotely being "insinuated".
 
Anakin says "I'm a pilot, ya know." Anakin can therefore fly. We accept it.
Luke says, "I'm not such a bad pilot myself." Luke can therefore fly. We accept it.
When its suggested a pilot is needed, Rey says, "You've got one!" Rey can therefore fly. Some of us accept it.

All three of these individuals are stuck on a planet and probably have done no more than atmospheric flying. We can only assume that that's the case. But all three manage to do amazing things in a cockpit both in atmosphere and out. By pointing out that Luke should have died over Yavin, its not suggesting that he's an ubermench as someone said. Its suggesting that there is precedence for this in universe when we wave our hands in their direction. Its probably subconsciously calling on the Force. But like Snoke, the backstory of why they can fly is really unimportant. They can fly. Cool! They're fucking star-pilots! That should be an awesome thing!

As for Rey and combat: She is stuck in the deserts of Jakku for years, since she was a child. Is it so hard to believe that she's able to survive using hand-to-hand? I would think after a few times of being beat down for my ration portions, I'd want to make sure I learned a thing or two about self defense. And we see that in the movie. She is able to hold her own on Jakku. But she has trouble with the blaster Han gives her. So, using a lightsaber, which her fighting style with her staff is fairly similar to her staff, shouldn't be that big of a stretch.

As others have suggested before, unlike Luke, she's heard stories about the Jedi and their abilities. And as I've suggested elsewhere, there is something about Rey, something bigger than we know with her connection to the Force. I hope JJ takes the time to explain it in IX. I really do, because I do think its important. And if, to some, that continues her being a Mary Sue... so be it.
 
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