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Spoilers Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny grade and discussion

How do you rate Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny?


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The movie's action is... okay. All the major sequences drag on much too long, and without any injuries or sense of exhaustion to give them the edge a sequel to Raiders should have.



I just found it too safe IMO. There was no real sense of danger. Part of the charm of the older movies was Spielberg's direction and the fact that Harrison could pull off the stunts like a boat being chopped up by a bigger boat's propeller.

The tuk tuk chase had no weight to it. Harrison's face was either digitally added on to a stunt double or they wore the Indiana Jones mask they made

Whatever parts they did in real life didn't feel like they amounted much IMO. And where was the Raider's theme? That was sorely missing.
 
I thought this was funny


If you line them up, Disney's cover actually makes it look like an Asylum knockoff.


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The first 20 minutes was some of my favorite Indy ever. The rest of the movie wasn't quite as good, but it was still very good, and I had a lot of fun watching it. I think this is a more than fitting swan song for Indiana Jones re: Harrison Ford, and a better ending than what could have been.

If I had to rate it among the others, it would be:

1. The Last Crusade
2. Raiders of the Lost Ark
3. Dial of Destiny
4. Temple of Doom
5. Kingdom of the Crystal Skull
 
I just watched this for the first time. If we're ranking, for me it's something like:

Raiders of the Lost Ark
The Last Crusade
Temple of Doom
Dial of Destiny
.
.
Kingdom of the Crystal Skull

I might give the last one another watch......someday. The parts that annoyed me most about this one are those that reminded me of that one. Those when just the physics of reality were out the window...the way cars and horses and bodies moved, the the lack of sound in the middle of a parade or during a car chase, the effect of a bullet on an 80-year old...having now reached half that age, these things kept taking me out of the narrative.

But for a movie lacking the budget it might, it looked great. The casting was wonderful -- so many interesting faces, too. And I loved the Archimedes, the Siege of Syracuse, and the actors' valiant attempts at speaking Greek, especially Wombat's. Seeing Marion and Sallah again was great, and it was done well. I didn't like the tragedy they heaped on the characters (isn't that, our world especially today, what we're getting away from watching movies like this), but I did appreciate the treatment of the passage of time.

Hope they make another one day. Maybe not with Ford as the lead, ideally with a new voice that captures the spirit of the earlier movies without trying to copy them or pay too much homage to late-stage Speilberg et al.
 
Ahem...
The idea of a Nazi going back in time to fix the Reich's mistakes is an inspired plot device, but [this] time travel mechanism has to be better established then "a few people take a glance at half of an ancient dial, and are immediately convinced, despite no evidence whatsover, that it's a workable device for such a feat." On the one hand, I appreciate that the Archimedes dial is scientific in nature, but on the other hand, there really needed to be either some supernatural basis for the idea of being able to locate/predict fissures in time, even if those fissures occur naturally, or a practical demonstration of the dial's utility/accuracy.​

Since I wrote the above, shortly after seeing the movie, I keep coming back to this point, which seems to be only rarely mentioned elsewhere, either in this thread, or the usual YouTube discourse suspects (Honest Trailers, Pitch Meeting, Dan Murrell, etc.). The underlying plot to this movie is that Archimedes, with no supernatural help at all, devised a method of determining when and where a time-connecting fissure would appear, and that Voller, despite only seeing half the dial for a few minutes before being hit on the head and falling off a train, was immediately so convinced that the whole device can take him to the exact time he wants to go that he spends years in pursuit of this goal, and is willing to risk his life on the scheme working without any experimentation. He's also somehow able to recruit a whole squad of goons into this plan, despite having zero evidence.

The first three movies had the excuse of religion (and Hitler's inherent madness) to explain the villains' belief in the various relics, and we can assume Spalko saw enough classified material related to the Roswell Crash and Hangar 51 to justify her search for crystal aliens. But in the case of this flick, it's just one goon (a highly educated rocket scientist, at that!) believing in an extraordinary absurdity without a shred of evidence - and then Indy, after seeming not to believe in it himself for decades, suddenly also does at the exact moment the plot wants him to.

It's a hugely silly foundation on which to build a story, even in the context of inherently silly pulp adventures. It'd be like John Hammond building the entire Jurassic Park resort, down to the introductory film starring himself, on the mere idea that he might be able to clone dinosaurs from blood found in amber-encased mosquitoes, before actually drilling into a single such insect. It'd be like Doc Brown designing and building the time-traveling interface for the DeLorean before conceiving of the flux capacitor. It'd be like Peter Weyland funding and secretly going on the Prometheus mission not because of well-documented impossibly identical cave-drawn star maps from around the world, but because he once overheard a drunk self-described spelunker telling a friend about such maps in a grimy dive bar. It's just dumb as dumb can be, and it hardly seem as though anyone else has noticed.

Or am I wrong?? :p
 
I'll take a look at it if its on Disney+. As for rankings:

Raiders of the Lost Ark, my favorite of the series. Next The Temple of Doom, I appreciated the new direction and Mola Ram was a very interesting baddie; the climax felt like a rollercoaster ride. And The Last Crusade, it was Raiders Lite, but I enjoyed the chemistry of Connery and Ford, I really wish they continued more adventures together.

The Kingdom of the Crystal Skull was a mixed bag, there's a lot of things I liked about the movie, bringing on Aliens, and the Russians but the cg monkeys and ants and Cate Blanchett's villain I didn't like at all. I didn't like the re-introduction of Marion, whatever chemistry Ford had with Allen was long gone in that movie. His Judas buddy who kept betraying him every five minutes was annoying.
 
The underlying plot to this movie is that Archimedes, with no supernatural help at all, devised a method of determining when and where a time-connecting fissure would appear, and that Voller, despite only seeing half the dial for a few minutes before being hit on the head and falling off a train, was immediately so convinced that the whole device can take him to the exact time he wants to go that he spends years in pursuit of this goal, and is willing to risk his life on the scheme working without any experimentation.

I'm with you here. I think Voller was basing most of his belief on the preexisting stories about the dial. Once he found out the dial was real he just assumes that the stories have been proved fully true. It's not made particularly clear if the dial can predict different fissures or there was and will only ever be the one connecting 1969 to Ancient Greece. How convenient for Archimedes it just happened to take place during the battle. And how did Basil figure out the (drift uncompensated but presumably otherwise correct) date with only half the dial?

He's also somehow able to recruit a whole squad of goons into this plan, despite having zero evidence.
He's paying them.
 
He's paying them.
People often underestimate what people are willing to do in the name of money, ideology or a charismatic leader.

Do not assume all motivation is rational. That is the first mistake. To quote Heinlein, "Man is not a rational being. He is rationalizing being."
 
i hadn't had a chance to respond, and can do so only briefly,

But our family saw it during i think the last week it was in theaters...

It was a lot of fun. I appreciated Indiana being older, and where he was at. I can relate in some ways.. also felt like Harrison's The Force Awakens, in a good way.

I really wanted Helena to be ready to take over, but it didn't feel like they set that up very well. I definitely don't hate her, but she felt too much like a con artist rather than a protagonist....also thought the killing of the black agent was unneccessary and really she could have been part of a future team ... a spinoff.

Not the best farewell, but it worked for me.
 
I'm with you here. I think Voller was basing most of his belief on the preexisting stories about the dial. Once he found out the dial was real he just assumes that the stories have been proved fully true. It's not made particularly clear if the dial can predict different fissures or there was and will only ever be the one connecting 1969 to Ancient Greece. How convenient for Archimedes it just happened to take place during the battle. And how did Basil figure out the (drift uncompensated but presumably otherwise correct) date with only half the dial?
Did he (Basil)? It's all just so damn vague. Do all rifts detected by the dial lead to Archimedes' time? Is it just a massive coincidence a rift opened up just hours after the dial was fully assembled for the first time in thousands of years, or are these rifts popping up all the time? If they pop up all the time, wouldn't it be wisest to, y'know, test the phenomenon, to make sure passing through a rift doesn't immediately fry the bio-electric functioning of animal cells, or something, let alone correct for planetary orbiting around the sun?! How very thoughtful of an apparently random, naturally occuring rift to not simply make a portal to a patch of empty space where Earth happened to pass through millennia ago! You do realize, Movie, that in bringing up continental drift as a potentially confounding factor, you bring these questions on yourself!
 
Did he (Basil)? It's all just so damn vague.

Basil had written August 20th, 1969 and August 20th, 1939, over and over in his notes.

Is it just a massive coincidence a rift opened up just hours after the dial was fully assembled for the first time in thousands of years

No, they knew they had a deadline, so that part makes sense.
 
^ Okay, but then, they never bothered to learn that Basil had a (former, but still) close friend who was an historian with a WW2 combat history who just might know something about the dial until Helena led them right to him? Sloppy! :p
 
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