The time jump just felt a bit odd. It's as if he was forced back to the present day
Spoilers Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny grade and discussion
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Hrmmm...not entirely. Indy had s choice to destroy the Ark, and couldn't do it. So, he made s choice and allowed himself to be captured. Then, he realizes the "power of God" as alluded to at the beginning of film and tells Marion not to look at it.
He has agency but in a different way.
That's fair. Thanks for clarifying.
True. My point about the difference, though, is that Dial more than Raiders is about Indy. In Raiders, he's more of a general adventure character, and we're all just along for the ride. Dial sets up all of these character-specific beats--Indy feels irrelevant, left behind by the latter half of the 20th century. He's literally the old man banging on the neighbor's door to turn down their music. So just as a point of character, when he's tempted to stay in the past, he should decide to return to his own time and life.
I don't even care about the jump. They could have had Helena convince him to try again with love of his life regardless of knowing whether it would be successful, rather than stay and become a literal relic. Have Indy take one final look at it all, then nod. Done. Time jump away.
In some ways, it feels like the movie was only half written. As I said previously, the point of linking the old character with a new, younger one is to reinvigorate them. The movie even seems to be setting that up, between the aforementioned neighbor scene, his sad little retirement party, his insistence that he's done with adventures. Then he just kind of gets dragged along and told how old and out of touch he is, but most importantly, he never seems to have the big "I am still Indiana fucking Jones" moment. It's weird. They set it all up, but it never really happens. It's like setting up Kirk's concerns about aging in Wrath of Khan, and then never having the final battle with the Reliant.
The closest they get to it is his moment on the plane when he supposedly figures out Mads and his crew calculated wrong. It's presented as a revelation, Indy smirking and being like, "You dumbasses. Your math was wrong and now we're not going where you planned." But then it's revealed that Archimedes fixed the deck, and so the plane was always going to 212 BC. So even that little moment didn't really mean anything.
Like I said, I need to give it a rewatch. I'm perplexed by a lot of the character decisions but I'm fine with a lot of the other things most people complain about. I don't care that some of the scenes drag too long, I'm fine with the questionable de-aging and the wacky time travel aspects. The most egregious things to me are making Helena so hard to like for anything other than having been Fleabag and obviously that ending. I don't think they should have killed Mutt, either. Just say he's off raising his own family and be done with it.
Weirdly, while I was typing up all of that, this dropped. Looks pretty cool. Troy Baker does a passable Harrison Ford.
Behind the magic of "Dial of Destiny"
While I agree with you in the abstract, I must admit my loathing for Shia Lebœuf as an actor made this plot point rather satisfying.
Oh, I hated the character, too. But I just didn't want Indy and Marion to have had to endure that for no real reason. Especially with the explanation that was provided in the movie, where he enlisted in order to stick it to Indy (which is its own issue). So if they'd never reconnected, their son would still be alive? Just another reason why this one made me sad.
I knew a new Indy game was coming out, but I hadn't seen anything since the original announcement. That looks awesome!
As quite a few people have said, they should have had Mutt MIA, then he becomes Schrödinger's Mutt, he might be dead, but maybe he's a POW?
I would have understood Indy's desire to stay in the past if he hadn't been so badly wounded. Let's be honest he would have been dead in days if he stayed in 212BC so he wouldn't have been able to enjoy his time there/have long conversations with Archimedes. He might have been unconscious within a few hours.
I would have understood Indy's desire to stay in the past if he hadn't been so badly wounded. Let's be honest he would have been dead in days if he stayed in 212BC so he wouldn't have been able to enjoy his time there/have long conversations with Archimedes. He might have been unconscious within a few hours.
Personally, I found the Mutt/Marion development to be emotionally satisfying. I couldn't help but wonder if Indy was especially bitter as he personally survived two World Wars, and then this "new" war took his son. (If I remember rightly, Indy signed up for The Great War without his father knowing about it. Apples and trees.)
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