Indiana Jones 5. It's official.

[shapeshifter]

So long as any story is worth it I wouldn't givacrap over the uncanny valley nudging my suspension of disbelief for a moment.

Even if it is good de-aging but my knowing the actor does not appear as shown, again, I wouldn't givacrap if I am enjoying the story.

 

[the G-man]

So long as any story is worth it I wouldn't givacrap over the uncanny valley nudging my suspension of disbelief for a moment.

Even if it is good de-aging but my knowing the actor does not appear as shown, again, I wouldn't givacrap if I am enjoying the story.

I'm not prejudging it either way but if something takes the viewer out of the story it may not matter how good the story is. And the uncanny valley can be a real thing. One's mileage will vary, of course.

 

[shapeshifter]

Oh I wasn't responding to no one here in particular, just the Variety author above. But I probably have my SOD disrupted a dozen or more during times any given movie, at the theater or at home. In my experience, there is no such thing as a totally immersive movie experience, a million things can occur to break it.

Maybe someday with those 3D video game devices adapted for movies.

 

[Anwar]

Is PWB really any different than Marian Ravenwood was in Raiders as far as being witty, smart, tough, etc.? Marian was universally well regarded as far as I can tell.

Or in today's online world do we just know more about PWB and Brie's politics than we knew about Karen Allen's or, say, Sigourney Weaver's politics back in the day. We are so much more 'tribal' and divided these days that I wonder if that is more of the dynamic at play as opposed to 'some men just can't handle strong women'. Strong female characters such as Marian Ravenwood or Ripley did not seem to receive the reaction that PWB or Brie have received. Is it less about strong female characters and more about the political divide in our world?

Back then there was little chance of there being any danger of women really overshadowing men or really harming Male Dominance of things. In today's world, #MeToo actually threatens them and women are more outspoken and this frightens the Fragile Broflakes. So there's more backlash and opposition.

 

[Set Harth]

They already fleabag'd Star Wars, they might as well fleabag Indy

 

[JD]

Oh I wasn't responding to no one here in particular, just the Variety author above. But I probably have my SOD disrupted a dozen or more during times any given movie, at the theater or at home. In my experience, there is no such thing as a totally immersive movie experience, a million things can occur to break it.

Maybe someday with those 3D video game devices adapted for movies.

Are you talking VR headsets, or playing 3D games with glasses on a regular TV?
You actually can watch movies on VR headsets, but I think it basically just has you watching movie in a virtual theater. I haven't used one myself but I saw a demo video that showed someone watching a movie like that..

IGN's Siddhant Adlakha absolutely hated it, and give it a 4 out of 10.

 

[StarMan]

IGN's Siddhant Adlakha absolutely hated it, and give it a 4 out of 10.

Cripes. That's pretty harsh for IGN.

 

[JD]

For a while they were pretty harsh on a lot things I liked, but lately they'd been a bit nicer, well other this one time obviously.

 

[Lakenheath 72]

I still plan to see it, regardless of the reviews. But, yeah, Disney has been churning out garbage lately. There have been a few gems here and there, like the last Guardians of the Galaxy movie, which I really enjoyed and have seen four times.

 

[JD]

I've really enjoyed a lot of the stuff Disney has been releasing the last few years.

 

[theenglish]

As to your second part - do you mean Ford said that in the movie because i can't recall that and i've seen it again a couple of weeks ago. Crystal Skull really was/is a disappointment, so i am completely in your boat. The trailers are wonderful but so did the ones for Phantom Menace for example. I am really anxious to see it because i want this character to leave us on a high note and not fizzle out.

He said that in an interview prior to the movie's release. It may be apocryphal, but I remember my friends and I discussing his having said that.

 

[Anwar]

Whenever I heard "Disney makes only garbage", it just reminds me how fickle "fans" really are.

 

[the G-man]

I still plan to see it, regardless of the reviews. But, yeah, Disney has been churning out garbage lately.

You want Disney (or any other studio) to stop churning out garbage? Don't go to movies with bad reviews just because of name recognition, nostalgia or "I want to see for myself."

 

[the G-man]

Back then there was little chance of there being any danger of women really overshadowing men or really harming Male Dominance of things. In today's world, #MeToo actually threatens them and women are more outspoken and this frightens the Fragile Broflakes. So there's more backlash and opposition.

I must be getting old. For the life of me, I can't remember the scene in "Raiders" where Marion told Indy he was a racist thief.

People like Indy. That's why his movies are popular. Bringing a new character to tell us Indy is actually a terrible person and expecting us to like that character is a dicey proposition at best, regardless of the character's sex.

 

[the G-man]

Back then there was little chance of there being any danger of women really overshadowing men or really harming Male Dominance of things. In today's world, #MeToo actually threatens them and women are more outspoken and this frightens the Fragile Broflakes. So there's more backlash and opposition.

The 70s were, in many ways, as equally divisive, with second wave feminism in full bloom. Women were entering the workforce in unprecedented numbers and rumbles about "reverse discrimination" were already starting. If anything, because all of it was so unprecedented, men (and boys) should have felt more threatened by strong female film characters.

 

[Anwar]

I must be getting old. For the life of me, I can't remember the scene in "Raiders" where Marion told Indy he was a racist thief.

People like Indy. That's why his movies are popular. Bringing a new character to tell us Indy is actually a terrible person and expecting us to like that character is a dicey proposition at best, regardless of the character's sex.

Didn't stop folks from saying the exact same thing to him in Temple of Doom and Crystal Skull and him outright being a thief stealing from other archaeologists in the opening to Last Crusade.

Oh, and Marion called him out on being a womanizer who took advantage of younger people. Namely her. Indy just brushed it off, despite the fact that Lucas pictured it as him in his 20s going after her when she was 14 or so.

The 70s were, in many ways, as equally divisive, with second wave feminism in full bloom. Women were entering the workforce in unprecedented numbers and rumbles about "reverse discrimination" were already starting. If anything, because all of it was so unprecedented, men (and boys) should have felt more threatened by strong female film characters.

The only big one at the time was Ripley, so they saw her as a one off oddity. And #MeToo didn't exist. There were no big scandals where people like Harvey Weinstein fell from power back then to trigger backlash from fragile males.

 

[fireproof78]

People need to get over it.

The 70s were, in many ways, as equally divisive, with second wave feminism in full bloom. Women were entering the workforce in unprecedented numbers and rumbles about "reverse discrimination" were already starting. If anything, because all of it was so unprecedented, men (and boys) should have felt more threatened by strong female film characters.

Indeed. But nonsense breeds nonsense on the Internet.

 

[the G-man]

The only big one at the time was Ripley,

Yeah....surreee.....

And #MeToo didn't exist. There were no big scandals where people like Harvey Weinstein fell from power back then to trigger backlash from fragile males.

Wilbur Mills and Fanne Fox, Wayne Hays and Elizabeth Ray, Lord Lambton and Norma Levy ....not to mention things like the Billie Jean King/Bobby Riggs "Battle of the Sexes." And I'm seriously scratching my head that you think "Joe Six Packs" give a damn about Harvey Weinstein.

 

[the G-man]

People need to get over it.

Indeed. But nonsense breeds nonsense on the Internet.

I honestly think each character should be evaluated individually. Some of the so called "woke" characters are quite entertaining. Others come off as off-putting and box checking. I think it would certainly help the reception towards any new character, if you want them to be accepted, not to basically call lead hero a racist in the trailer.

 

[fireproof78]

I honestly think each character should be evaluated individually. Some of the so called "woke" characters are quite entertaining. Others come off as off-putting and box checking. I think it would certainly help the reception towards any new character, if you want them to be accepted, not to basically call lead hero a racist in the trailer.

Indeed. I remember hearing people talk about Sarah Connor, Ripley, Princesses Leia as positives. Hell, one negative review point of the Phantom Menace was that Natalie Portman didn't present a commanding enough presence compared to Leia.

Yes, of course there is the "battle of the sexes," but that's not new. It was stupid then, it's stupid now. But let's not pretend the pearl clutching is a new phenomenon. It's just more people have an unearned platform to bitch about it rather than going our and working and proving their mistaken point.