Indiana Jones 5. It's official.

[cooleddie74]

If Ellen Ripley were created today the toxic incel fanbase would go up in the biggest explosion of pure white heat rage since the second Death Star. It'd both be brilliant to watch but also detrimental for Sigourney Weaver because the poor woman wouldn't get a lick of sleep due to the backlash.

 

[fireproof78]

If Ellen Ripley were created today the toxic incel fanbase would go up in the biggest explosion of pure white heat rage since the second Death Star. It'd both be brilliant to watch but also detrimental for Sigourney Weaver because the poor woman wouldn't get a lick of sleep due to the backlash.

I do not know why people give this backlash any kind of attention. It's misinformed, caters to ignorant opinions and derails actual conversation. Yes, I realize I'm talking about it too but at this point it just flat out annoys me. A movie should stand or fall on it's own merits, not perceived gender roles.

 

[Anwar]

Yeah....surreee.....

Wilbur Mills and Fanne Fox, Wayne Hays and Elizabeth Ray, Lord Lambton and Norma Levy ....not to mention things like the Billie Jean King/Bobby Riggs "Battle of the Sexes." And I'm seriously scratching my head that you think "Joe Six Packs" give a damn about Harvey Weinstein.

Leia got weaker and weaker over the OT, so men could feel better about themselves. She also wasn't the lead.

And none of those things were taken seriously in favor of the woman, nor comparable to the fall of Weinstein.

Oh, and you use Boogeyman words like "Check a Box", you lose credibility.

 

[the G-man]

And none of those things were taken seriously in favor of the woman, nor comparable to the fall of Weinstein.

Political scandals that shook the halls of power and made national headlines were less significant than a guy who made art films getting arrested. Sh’yeah. Okay.

 

[Set Harth]

Leia got weaker and weaker over the OT, so men could feel better about themselves.

Well, not all men...

 

[fireproof78]

Well, not all men...

The Stormtroopers she shot probably gelt pretty bad too.

 

[Anwar]

Political scandals that shook the halls of power and made national headlines were less significant than a guy who made art films getting arrested. Sh’yeah. Okay.

Yes, did you see the backlash back then comparable to how certain people have been trying to get #MeToo shut down since it began? No? Then those things were less significant.

 

[Tuskin38]

You want Disney (or any other studio) to stop churning out garbage? Don't go to movies with bad reviews just because of name recognition, nostalgia or "I want to see for myself."

One man's trash is another man's trasure

I must be getting old. For the life of me, I can't remember the scene in "Raiders" where Marion told Indy he was a racist thief.

People like Indy. That's why his movies are popular. Bringing a new character to tell us Indy is actually a terrible person and expecting us to like that character is a dicey proposition at best, regardless of the character's sex.

They still have an old white guy playing an Egyptian character so....

 

[StarMan]

I honestly think each character should be evaluated individually. Some of the so called "woke" characters are quite entertaining. Others come off as off-putting and box checking. I think it would certainly help the reception towards any new character, if you want them to be accepted, not to basically call lead hero a racist in the trailer.

Precisely. I don't know who I get more frustrated with: Side A labelling anyone using the term "woke" a bigot (especially in instances where the box checking is as subtle as a sledgehammer and coupled with pitiful writing) or Side B dismissing anything with LGBTQ+ representation or featuring a non-heterosexual white male protagonist as "WOKE GARBAGE!!1!1"

 

[Mudd]

Another Variety article bashing the de-aging process of this and other movies and takes another swipe at the movie in general.

Mangold must have really pissed someone off at Variety.

Seems like a pretty fair and reasonable article across the board.

 

[Timby]

Seems like a pretty fair and reasonable article across the board.

It's automatically disingenuous by questioning why Toby Jones isn't de-aged in the 1944 sequence, yet it makes perfect sense that he's not because the bulk of the movie is in 1969, and Phoebe Waller-Bridge is 37.

 

[Mudd]

It's automatically disingenuous by questioning why Toby Jones isn't de-aged in the 1944 sequence,

Nope.

 

[Timby]

Nope.

Explain, then.

 

[fireproof78]

Precisely. I don't know who I get more frustrated with: Side A labelling anyone using the term "woke" a bigot (especially in instances where the box checking is as subtle as a sledgehammer and coupled with pitiful writing) or Side B dismissing anything with LGBTQ+ representation or featuring a non-heterosexual white male protagonist as "WOKE GARBAGE!!1!1"

Neither side is particularly appealing.

 

[JD]

Precisely. I don't know who I get more frustrated with: Side A labelling anyone using the term "woke" a bigot (especially in instances where the box checking is as subtle as a sledgehammer and coupled with pitiful writing)

At this point, anybody who uses the word woke in that context pretty much has to be a bigot, because as far as the majority of people are concerned the only bigots say that, and anybody who isn't a bigot is going to avoid using it, because they aren't to want to be labeled a bigot.

 

[the G-man]

One man's trash is another man's trasure

OTOH, if everyone tells you the stove is hot it's not a good idea to touch it yourself.

At this point, anybody who uses the word woke in that context pretty much has to be a bigot, because as far as the majority of people are concerned the only bigots say that, and anybody who isn't a bigot is going to avoid using it, because they aren't to want to be labeled a bigot.

From where, exactly, are you deriving this "majority" opinion as to the intent of a word?

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Well, not all men...

Oh yeah...this is a fine example of a female character becoming "weaker" with each new OT installment, because nothing says picking flowers in a field to the tune of "Prelude" from The Sound of Music soundtrack like Leia strangling a crime lord with a chain, and shooting Stormtroopers in ROTJ...well, it says that a certain someone is desperate to pin something on the OT that did not exist, or was intended.

 

[Mudd]

It's automatically disingenuous by questioning why Toby Jones isn't de-aged in the 1944 sequence, yet it makes perfect sense that he's not because the bulk of the movie is in 1969, and Phoebe Waller-Bridge is 37.

Because the writer wrote something that you disagree with the logic of does not make them "automatically disingenuous," any more than reasonable criticisms of de-aging effects or the more-than-evident shortcomings of the later Indiana Jones films mean that anyone at Variety has it out for anyone involved in making them - even if the crits seem too repetitious. Shockingly enough, sometimes when you hear the same complaints about something over and over it's because there really is something that a lot of people don't like about it.

 

[Tosk]

OTOH, if everyone tells you the stove is hot it's not a good idea to touch it yourself.

You can tap it lightly to see if it's true though.

 

[fireproof78]

OTOH, if everyone tells you the stove is hot it's not a good idea to touch it yourself.

OTOH poor media experience is not physically harmful like a hot stove.