Indiana Jones 5. It's official.

[JD]

I don't think so but the Vietnam War is such a huge part of what we think of the 70's it sort of makes sense to maybe have Indy exploring over their. Also it's better than my second idea were Indy goes to Studio 54, takes a little bit of stuff he shouldn't and spends the rest of the movie chasing a Dragon.

Jason

OK, with this kind of stuff I think it's better to base it around elements of the history or culture of whatever country they're in. All of the movies so far have been based around things related to the places they're in, obviously the Holy Grail and the Ark of the Covenant are big parts of the Bible and Christanity, and the Thuggees were a real group in India. So if we were to go to Vietnam, I'd like to see them find something from Vietnamese history and/or culture to use as the bad guys, or McGuffin or whatever.
I just had a thought for something that feels like it could be a good McGuffin, although it's from China rather than Vietnam. They could end up in Asia looking for one of the Buddhist texts that Tang Sanzang was going to get in The Journey to The West.

 

[Colonel Midnight]

^ Perhaps something involving Angkor Wat and the CIA, etc. sneaking around in Cambodia, ostensibly trying to shut down a part of the Ho Chi Minh Trail?

Cheers,
-CM-

 

[Nerys Myk]

^ Perhaps something involving Angkor Wat and the CIA, etc. sneaking around in Cambodia, ostensibly trying to shut down a part of the Ho Chi Minh Trail?

Cheers,
-CM-

Maybe Indy could search for his cousin Col. Lucas.

 

[Smellmet]

I think what surprises me most about Temple of Doom is its rating. It got a PG rating while it prompted the need for a PG-13 rating (it came out before the PG-13 rating was made available), but I don't really find either rating all that suitable given what goes on in the movie. A PG or PG-13 rating feels rather misleading for this movie while an R rating would have been far more suitable. Having watched it not that long ago, I was shocked at how brutal it was for something with a PG rating. It just doesn't seem adequate.



I think the myth surrounding The Lost City of Z would make for an interesting place for them to visit. Plenty of snakes and disease-ridden bugs according to the book I read. Have a feeling Indy would love it.

Temple of doom along with gremlins was responsible for the creation of the PG13 rating in America, in fact, the US cut of it was never shown in UK cinemas or any home media release until the recent blu ray box set release a few years ago. Up until then I'd never seen mola rams arm reaching into the guys chest or short round getting whipped. If I'm being honest, I find the violence, whilst fully deserving of it's PG13/12 certificate, a bit cartoony these days.

Personally for me, I think the violence in Raiders to be far more visceral and realistic - the plane fight for example when in desperation, indy throws a flurry of punches at the guys bloody face, to me is much more brutal than the equivalent fight in doom, which is played for laughs at times. The opening scenes where Alfred molina gets spiked, the bar fight where the guy gets shot in the face with blood spurting, indy getting realistically shot in the arm, then having the wound punched repeatedly, numerous rotten corpses, and the infamous melting heads for me are all worse than anything in the sequels.

Yes doom has the child slavery and human sacrifice elements to it, but the film is so far over the top I just can't remotely take any of it seriously, whereas raiders still comes across as more grounded in reality, to me at least and I think it's every bit as 'dark' in it's own way.

 

[Captaindemotion]

Maybe Indy could search for his cousin Col. Lucas.

Underrated comment

 

[Owain Taggart]

Temple of doom along with gremlins was responsible for the creation of the PG13 rating in America, in fact, the US cut of it was never shown in UK cinemas or any home media release until the recent blu ray box set release a few years ago. Up until then I'd never seen mola rams arm reaching into the guys chest or short round getting whipped. If I'm being honest, I find the violence, whilst fully deserving of it's PG13/12 certificate, a bit cartoony these days.

Yeah, I'd read that while the movie prompted the new PG13 rating, it came out before the rating became active. I just find that a PG-13 rating wouldn't have been suitable at all. It's just so brutal for what would have been PG13. There must have been many disappointed kids who loved Raiders and were disappointed they probably couldn't see Temple of Doom.

You're right though that Raiders feels more grounded in reality, and perhaps that's why I find what happens in ToD so shocking in that it everything that happens seems to happen more out of shock value and a stark contrast the style established in Raiders.

 

[JD]

Temple of doom along with gremlins was responsible for the creation of the PG13 rating in America, in fact, the US cut of it was never shown in UK cinemas or any home media release until the recent blu ray box set release a few years ago. Up until then I'd never seen mola rams arm reaching into the guys chest or short round getting whipped. If I'm being honest, I find the violence, whilst fully deserving of it's PG13/12 certificate, a bit cartoony these days.

Personally for me, I think the violence in Raiders to be far more visceral and realistic - the plane fight for example when in desperation, indy throws a flurry of punches at the guys bloody face, to me is much more brutal than the equivalent fight in doom, which is played for laughs at times. The opening scenes where Alfred molina gets spiked, the bar fight where the guy gets shot in the face with blood spurting, indy getting realistically shot in the arm, then having the wound punched repeatedly, numerous rotten corpses, and the infamous melting heads for me are all worse than anything in the sequels.

Yes doom has the child slavery and human sacrifice elements to it, but the film is so far over the top I just can't remotely take any of it seriously, whereas raiders still comes across as more grounded in reality, to me at least and I think it's every bit as 'dark' in it's own way.

I'm honestly amazed the guy getting shot in the face, and the melting faces at the end weren't enough to get Raiders an R.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I'm honestly amazed the guy getting shot in the face, and the melting faces at the end weren't enough to get Raiders an R.

Marion would have to expose her breasts to get an R rating, because....America.

 

[UssGlenn]

I'm honestly amazed the guy getting shot in the face, and the melting faces at the end weren't enough to get Raiders an R.

The wall of Flame over Belloq's exploding head was added to avoid an R. Apparently, the collapsing and melting faces of his colleagues were OK.

 

[fireproof78]

It's all disturbing.

 

[Smellmet]

I'm honestly amazed the guy getting shot in the face, and the melting faces at the end weren't enough to get Raiders an R.

So am I. I didn't really notice it that much as a kid but the shooting is die hard level violence IMO. The melting faces, even though it looks a little cheesy effects wise today is still really graphic and disturbing, and is WAY over what I'd except to see in a PG rated movie.

 

[USS Firefly]

Marion would have to expose her breasts to get an R rating, because....America.

Yeah they have special ideas about ratings

 

[Smellmet]

Different times I guess. Same reason a new hope gets a U rating (the lowest) in the UK despite having a few disturbing scenes like the vader throat crush, the severed arm and the burnt corpses.

 

[FormerLurker]

Marion would have to expose her breasts to get an R rating, because....America.

But, but, but...oh yeah, she didn't face the camera for that shot. In far too many ways, the Hays Code is still in place.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

Marion would have to expose her breasts to get an R rating, because....America.

Not at the time of Raiders actually, see Sixteen Candles, Yellowbeard, Sheena, etc. for example.

 

[Owain Taggart]

It's like the idea of what is safe in terms of ratings has had a sliding scale over several decades. I think that now, we're generally more accepting perhaps because we're more desensitized overall, but it definitely feels like there are some PG stuff that would have been R at one point and is even being broadcast on regular broadcast networks during primetime. More-F-bombs being dropped and even some nudity when some of this stuff 10-15 years ago wouldn't have passed muster.

 

[Samurai8472]

Yeah, I'd read that while the movie prompted the new PG13 rating, it came out before the rating became active.

Yes the first movie to be PG-13 was "Red Dawn" with Patrick Swayze

https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/pg-13-rating-debuts

 

[JD]

Marion would have to expose her breasts to get an R rating, because....America.

There are plenty of movies that have gotten an R rating just for the violence.
I didn't realize until fairly recently that there is no actual set system for rating movies. Basically, some members of the rating board get together, watch the movie, and then decide which rating to give it. That's it, there's no system for analyzing them, they just give it whatever rating they feel like giving it. It definitely explains why the ratings are so inconsistent, at least in the US.

 

[Reverend]

The ins and outs of what rates what certification has always been WILDLY inconsistent. Generally because it's historically been down to the personal opinions of a relatively small group of individuals.
If you want to give yourself a migraine, try reading the guidelines from the BBFC or the MPAA that attempt to quantify the severity of violence, bad language, and sexual content. Some of it reads like the Malleus Maleficarum, nipple counting and all. It's bonkers.

 

[theenglish]

Yeah, but it wasn't set in the 70s.


There was a bit of a Pulp revival in the mid 70s, but I'd still have to give a lot of thought to find an appropriate setting or storyline for Indy in that decade. The 60s and some old-school flying saucers would work, but that would be a bit redundant after Crystal Skull.

Pre-revolution Persia.