Or Anakin as a child suddenly blowing up a Trade Federation battleship in one shot his first time in a starfighter.
i'm not much of a star wars fan, how did the female lead from force awakens
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Well, such is the nature of narrative causality.
"Scientists have calculated that the chances of something so patently absurd actually existing are millions to one. But magicians have calculated that million-to-one chances crop up nine times out of ten."
Not sure why some think it should only apply to male characters though. Seems oddly selective.
Well, such is the nature of narrative causality.
"Scientists have calculated that the chances of something so patently absurd actually existing are millions to one. But magicians have calculated that million-to-one chances crop up nine times out of ten."Not sure why some think it should only apply to male characters though. Seems oddly selective.
Exactly!!!
Well, such is the nature of narrative causality.
"Scientists have calculated that the chances of something so patently absurd actually existing are millions to one. But magicians have calculated that million-to-one chances crop up nine times out of ten."Not sure why some think it should only apply to male characters though. Seems oddly selective.
First off, kudos on the Pratchett!!
Second... I have no clue why that is. But I'm getting the impression that some fans actually believe that only men can be that connected to the Force.
Because the Force willed it, heh if it can alledegly create a child it#s not much of a stretch.
But as others have pointd out
Rey was shown to be at least some what proficent at meele weapons.
She was losing until she opened up to the force
Ren was already injured frombeing shot by Chewi amongest other things
Ren was a hot head who often let his emotions get the best of him.
He had just killed his father, might not have been in the best emotional state (see above)
He was probably annoyed that his grandfather's lightsabre went to Rey not him (see above about him being a hot head)
But as others have pointd out
Rey was shown to be at least some what proficent at meele weapons.
She was losing until she opened up to the force
Ren was already injured frombeing shot by Chewi amongest other things
Ren was a hot head who often let his emotions get the best of him.
He had just killed his father, might not have been in the best emotional state (see above)
He was probably annoyed that his grandfather's lightsabre went to Rey not him (see above about him being a hot head)
Yet strangely no-one queried that in The Empire Strikes Back an injured Luke, who we'd never seen even being told that he could use The Force for telekinesis, uses his powers to call his light-sabre to him in the Wampa Cave.
She didn't need to know what a mind trick was in advance, she experienced it first hand. Kylo forced his way into her mind and trying to assert his will. A door once opened, may be stepped through in either direction and all that. We even saw her figure out what he was doing and turn the tables on him, hence him freaking out and running to Snoke.
This is perfectly in keeping with Rey's innate aptitudes: she's an intuitive problem solver. She's good at figuring out how things work and she's a quick study.
It was depicted quite clearly, step by step. She even failed at her first attempt and was surprised when it actually worked.
But if one absolutely *MUST* come up with a way for her to have foreknowledge: maybe one of those "myths" about Luke Skywalker included the crazy story how he waltzed right into Jabba The Hutt's throne-room unarmed and uninvited by controlling the mind of his majordomo?
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Daughter of Luke Skywalker anyone?
More silly than the stuff, Luke, Obi-Wan and Anakin could do?
It's a scientific fact that cooties seriously impact the effectiveness of midichlorians. JJ Abrahams should know this.
Oh yes. Indeed, sir. Im not saying they didn't do silly things...
Well, um, er, there are things you can do with a lady, er, that you er. There's no right way to cast a woman. I mean, man to man is one thing, but, er, man and woman, er, it's, er, it's, er. Well it's, er, .....another thing. Do you understand?
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Care to illuminate? Luke was deflecting fire from a remote after a few minutes meditating. He made the shot that destroyed the Death Star with no real training to speak of. Anakin infiltrated and destroyed the Trade Federation ship all by himself before he received any training at all while the ship's shields were still up!
Rey had her abilities jump-started when she pushed back against Kylo Ren's intrusions. Her saber skills can be attributed to her skill with a staff. Indeed, most of her "saber" moves were modified staff moves.
Rey had her abilities jump-started when she pushed back against Kylo Ren's intrusions. Her saber skills can be attributed to her skill with a staff. Indeed, most of her "saber" moves were modified staff moves.
The Force is basically magic.
We can't really judge the plausibility of any of the abilities depicted in the Star Wars mythos. The whole point is that it's beyond explanation in rational, scientific terms.
Exactly. Movies are a visual medium, and they should show instead of telling through tiresome expository dialog. TFA did very well in this regard.
Kor
We can't really judge the plausibility of any of the abilities depicted in the Star Wars mythos. The whole point is that it's beyond explanation in rational, scientific terms.
Exactly. Movies are a visual medium, and they should show instead of telling through tiresome expository dialog. TFA did very well in this regard.
Kor
That rather depends on one's definition of "magic". In fictional terms, the classic fantasy style magic makes literally *anything* possible with the right words. some twinkly lights and maybe an amulet dipped in unicorn blood or something. I think we can all agree the force most definitely is not this.
To my mind, it has more the feeling of certain eastern spiritual philosophies with the physical effects turned up to 11. It's fantastical and "magical" in a very broad sense, but it has it's limits. It's not a fix-all.
Why do I think this distinction is relevant to this discussion? In a nutshell: the former is usually about a person's training and skill. It's a learned thing, or product of an outside entity (magic sword, apprenticed to a wizard etc.) The latter is more about focusing and trusting in one's innate abilities. In other words: it comes from within, which I think more closely describes what's going on with Rey.
It's also worth recognising that Rey was hardly proficient in her fight with Kylo. Her swings were wild and imprecise, she kept trying to stab and thrust with a weapon that's generally meant for parrying and slashing.
A big part of her success in the first half of the fight (before she opened herself to the force and it basically took over for her) is the fact that her opponent was pretty badly wounded. Kylo had just been shot in the flank with a bowcaster - a weapon we repeatedly saw could shatter stormtrooper armour and sent people flying backwards. On top of which he received a nasty shoulder wound from Finn before cutting him down. We even saw Kylo bleeding and hitting himself in his wound just to keep his pain and anger up enough to keep going.
Finally, remember that Kylo wasn't trying to kill her. He was trying to recruit her and so, he was holding back. (Incidentally, this is exactly how Luke managed to wound Vader on Bespin.)
With all that considered, I don't see how anyone can claim Rey's abilities were overstated. It was no walk in the park, but it was hardly an unreasonable feat.
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