I'm new here, so Voyager fans help me out. Janeway's promotion???

[infinix]

I'm sure this has been brought up numerous times before. Most of the other Trek sites toss away the fact that Janeway was made an admiral with the joke that Star Fleet dare not let her command another vessel.

*spoiler* But the fact that she WAS promoted is a bit disconcerting. The fact is that Janeway participated in probably the biggest time-line altering events in all of Trek history. At least in the Voyager's own finale, the future Janeway dies. However, to promote Captain Janeway is simply absurd.

Understandably, she would've been given a lot of credit for keeping the ship in one piece for all those years, but crapping all over the temporal prime directive would much if not all of her accomplishments. Also, her accomplishments doesn't really compare to the other captains. Kirk, Picard, and Sisko have all saved the Federation (and the existence as we know it) more than a couple of times. Yes, they didn't want to be promoted, but that doesn't change the fact that I don't understand how anyone could justify Admiral Janeway.

So Voyager/Janeway fans, please help me out. Why is Janeway worthy of that promotion?

 

[Quinton O'Connor]

Well, I really haven't seen the show in frelling ages so I won't be of much help. But comparing Janeway strictly with Kirk, Picard and Sisko in regard to promotions seems a little unfair; a ton of far less resounding names were promoted to admiralty so it's no stretch to see it done to Janeway.

Kirk got there, then got it taken away for all the right reasons. Picard didn't want to get there. And Sisko certainly would have gotten there given his actions in the Dominion War if he weren't a bit preoccupied with other matters. But for all these brave men, there are so many more tales of men and women who became admirals without saving life as we know it...

 

[Lynx]

I'm sure this has been brought up numerous times before. Most of the other Trek sites toss away the fact that Janeway was made an admiral with the joke that Star Fleet dare not let her command another vessel.

*spoiler* But the fact that she WAS promoted is a bit disconcerting. The fact is that Janeway participated in probably the biggest time-line altering events in all of Trek history. At least in the Voyager's own finale, the future Janeway dies. However, to promote Captain Janeway is simply absurd.

Understandably, she would've been given a lot of credit for keeping the ship in one piece for all those years, but crapping all over the temporal prime directive would much if not all of her accomplishments. Also, her accomplishments doesn't really compare to the other captains. Kirk, Picard, and Sisko have all saved the Federation (and the existence as we know it) more than a couple of times. Yes, they didn't want to be promoted, but that doesn't change the fact that I don't understand how anyone could justify Admiral Janeway.

So Voyager/Janeway fans, please help me out. Why is Janeway worthy of that promotion?

As I see it, Janeway shouldn't have been promoted because it would mean that she ends up in some office at Starfleet Headquarters and Janeway is no desk-clerk. Her place is out there on Voyager, exploring space and going where no one has been before.

I'm trying to come up with an idea how to demote her back to Captain in some upcoming fan-fiction story but I haven't figured it out yet.

 

[Quinton O'Connor]

Just have her get caught putting crew members in the brig left and right.

Sorry, low blow. I haven't watched the show in forever, like I said, so yeah, just having fun with that one.

 

[HoneyBLilly]

Well . . . Despite numerous Prime Directive and TPD offenses she did deal a crippling blow to the Borg. She did bring back futuristic armor. And even though that was an offense on the TPD, it really wasn't Captain Janeway who made the offense. It was Admiral Janeway. And she was dead to face the consequences.

And she did make more first contact's than any other Starfleet captain too. And she collected enough scientific data to keep Starfleet happy for years. And she mapped the Delta Quadrant. That hadn't been done before.

Janeway took the phrase "Where no (wo)man has gone before" and took it literally

 

[Dukhat]

The only reason why she was promoted was so Mulgrew could have a cameo in Nemesis as the admiral giving Picard the orders to go to Romulus. However, if you listen to her lines, not a word she said alluded to Voyager in any way. Anyone could have been cast for that part; it wasn't specific to Janeway.

Now, as far as her fictional promotion goes, she should have been demoted instead. Even though Future Janeway was acting in her own self-interest and disregard for disrupting the timeline, Present Janeway should have known better and told FJ to shove off. If I ever met a future version of myself who wasn't thinking straight and wanted me to help him in some nutty scheme, I'd tell my future self to f*** off too.

 

[F. King Daniel]

The whole point of Voyager was to get back to earth. That achieved, Janeway taking a promotion, desk job and staying on earth makes perfect sense to me.

Kirk was promoted to admiral after TOS, and he made a career out of pissing on the prime directive. He destroyed the way of life on a dozen worlds, simply because he thought his way was better.

Also, "our" Janeway is no more responsible for the actions of "Endgame"'s Old Janeway than STXI's Spock is reponsible for the actions of the 129-year-older Spock Prime. You can't blame people for the actions of their alternate future selves.

 

[froot]

I'm no fan of "Endgame," but even if the elder Janeway hadn't broken the TPD, people would still be making these threads every three months or so.

Remember that she actually saved the entire galaxy from extermination in Scorpion ("your galaxy will be purged.") Plus she brought back metric tons of data on a previously unexplored region of space. And metric tons of data on the Borg, one of the greatest threats to the Federation. Oh, and blew up huge swaths of Unimatrix 001 as well as closed one of their transwarp hubs permanently. And kept her crew mostly in one piece with minimal losses. And actually did help temporal matters once by putting a hole in Annorax's ship before his timeline meddling erased everything in the DQ. And she completed her original mission besides. Not to mention all the times she'd bend over backwards for little alien cultures and give them aid (mentioned in "The Void.") She also her Starfleet duty to respond to any and all calls for distress, even when it wasn't the easy or expedient thing to do given their situation.

It was a 20-second cameo. I know it can be difficult for fanboys to watch her giving orders to Picard, but you can always skip those 20 seconds on your DVD. You can also read "Before Dishonor" several times and sort of bask in it if the pain is too great. It's a desk job. Kirk "broke" the PD (note also we have no idea what exactly what loopholes the PD has) for funsies and he got promoted. He always gets a pass, though, because of everyone's collective nostalgia. Even perfect Picard's broken the PD here and there and he runs the Fed flagship.

 

[HoneyBLilly]

It was a 20-second cameo. I know it can be difficult for fanboys to watch her giving orders to Picard, but you can always skip those 20 seconds on your DVD. You can also read "Before Dishonor" several times and sort of bask in it if the pain is too great. It's a desk job. Kirk "broke" the PD (note also we have no idea what exactly what loopholes the PD has) for funsies and he got promoted. He always gets a pass, though, because of everyone's collective nostalgia. Even perfect Picard's broken the PD here and there and he runs the Fed flagship.

froot if I was brand new and had no idea how much you liked Janeway this paragraph alone would make me believe that you hated her.

I give you props for being so convincing.

 

[froot]

It was a 20-second cameo. I know it can be difficult for fanboys to watch her giving orders to Picard, but you can always skip those 20 seconds on your DVD. You can also read "Before Dishonor" several times and sort of bask in it if the pain is too great. It's a desk job. Kirk "broke" the PD (note also we have no idea what exactly what loopholes the PD has) for funsies and he got promoted. He always gets a pass, though, because of everyone's collective nostalgia. Even perfect Picard's broken the PD here and there and he runs the Fed flagship.

froot if I was brand new and had no idea how much you liked Janeway this paragraph alone would make me believe that you hated her.

I give you props for being so convincing.

Sorry, I should have closed that one off with a "dripping sarcasm" tag.

 

[HoneyBLilly]

It was a 20-second cameo. I know it can be difficult for fanboys to watch her giving orders to Picard, but you can always skip those 20 seconds on your DVD. You can also read "Before Dishonor" several times and sort of bask in it if the pain is too great. It's a desk job. Kirk "broke" the PD (note also we have no idea what exactly what loopholes the PD has) for funsies and he got promoted. He always gets a pass, though, because of everyone's collective nostalgia. Even perfect Picard's broken the PD here and there and he runs the Fed flagship.

froot if I was brand new and had no idea how much you liked Janeway this paragraph alone would make me believe that you hated her.

I give you props for being so convincing.

Sorry, I should have closed that one off with a "dripping sarcasm" tag.

Especially the part about "Before Dishonor"

That book should be blacklisted and considered way out of the books canon as a total mistake. Kind of like ST: FF. And Peter David should be slapped.

 

[froot]

Especially the part about "Before Dishonor"

That book should be blacklisted and considered way out of the books canon as a total mistake. Kind of like ST: FF. And Peter David should be slapped.

Well, to be fair, he did write "Q-Squared," and that's a wonderful book. Maybe I could send him a nice fruit basket for that book and, when he opens it to receive his fresh pineapple, a little mechanical hand pops out and punches him in the nose. But then, when he feels better, he can still eat the pineapple.

I just figure if you don't like Janeway in Nemesis, you can read "Before Dishonor." If you do, you can watch the cameo over and over. Something for everyone! ...Of course, only one of them is canon, hee-hee-hee.

 

[HoneyBLilly]

Well, to be fair, he did write "Q-Squared," and that's a wonderful book. Maybe I could send him a nice fruit basket for that book and, when he opens it to receive his fresh pineapple, a little mechanical hand pops out and punches him in the nose. But then, when he feels better, he can still eat the pineapple.

I just figure if you don't like Janeway in Nemesis, you can read "Before Dishonor." If you do, you can watch the cameo over and over. Something for everyone! ...Of course, only one of them is canon, hee-hee-hee.

"Q-Squared" made my head hurt . . . but I did like all of the Picard/Crusher action in the other timeline.

Ooh, we could send it with a clown. No one likes clowns.

Favorite part of Nemesis. It's the only part I'll watch, besides Deanna and Will's wedding.

 

[Lynx]

Ooh, we could send it with a clown. No one likes clowns.

Some people obviously do. When I was in my early teens, a neighbor was cheating on her husband with a guy who did look like a clown and most of the neighborhood knew it. Everytime that clown lookalike showed up, my mother used to say to the rest of the family: "Look, here comes The Clown!"

As for "Nemesis", there were too many things with that movie I didn't like, although Shinzon was a good villain.

 

[HoneyBLilly]

Some people obviously do. When I was in my early teens, a neighbor was cheating on her husband with a guy who did look like a clown and most of the neighborhood knew it. Everytime that clown lookalike showed up, my mother used to say to the rest of the family: "Look, here comes The Clown!"

I'm frightened now.

And I will bow down to that. Some people don't like clowns.

 

[DonIago]

There's more than a bit of credibility to the notion that both Kirk and Janeway were promoted to the Admiralty because they were controversial captains. Making them admirals removed them from immediate command of starships and actually made it a bit easier for the higher-ups to keep an eye on them. Also, if exploring the unknown really is what you love, then consider that becoming an admiral may not be a reward to you though it might look that way to everyone else.

 

[henbane]

I'm sure this has been brought up numerous times before. Most of the other Trek sites toss away the fact that Janeway was made an admiral with the joke that Star Fleet dare not let her command another vessel.

*spoiler* But the fact that she WAS promoted is a bit disconcerting. The fact is that Janeway participated in probably the biggest time-line altering events in all of Trek history. At least in the Voyager's own finale, the future Janeway dies. However, to promote Captain Janeway is simply absurd.

Understandably, she would've been given a lot of credit for keeping the ship in one piece for all those years, but crapping all over the temporal prime directive would much if not all of her accomplishments. Also, her accomplishments doesn't really compare to the other captains. Kirk, Picard, and Sisko have all saved the Federation (and the existence as we know it) more than a couple of times. Yes, they didn't want to be promoted, but that doesn't change the fact that I don't understand how anyone could justify Admiral Janeway.

So Voyager/Janeway fans, please help me out. Why is Janeway worthy of that promotion?

After all these years, I can't believe the Picard fanboi's are still stressing over this

A 20 sec cameo for Kate Mulgrew - great! And for those who just cannot get over or show no signs of getting over this particular 20 secs of their lives, I suggest they edit it from their Nemesis DVD so they can pretend it never happened!

 

[Guy Gardener]

I was watching the Chicago Way Pilot yesterday and Jennifer Beals is the woman in charge of the police, the top banana, and we get to see her promoting one of her officers to "Lieutenant in Charge of that Mop Closet on the 5th floor in the 14th precinct" I shit you not. It was hilarious. "You need to keep an eye on those mops." He was a dirty cop she couldn't fire because of the Unions, so she promoted him to a position of no authority way way way out of the way of any real power or trouble.

What is Kathy the Admiral of?

Staples and pencils?

 

[Brit]

What is Kathy the Admiral of?

Staples and pencils?

Well she is high enough to give Picard orders.

Brit

 

[Guy Gardener]

Considering everything went down, exactly how well thought out were those orders?

Picard's clone wanted to eat Picard.

So what does Janeway do? From the subtlest manipulation Janeway delivers Picard to his hungry clone on a silver platter.

The real blame is on Starfleet Intelligences doorstep mind you, Kathy was just a patsy.