I'm building the entire Starship Enterprise interior at 1:25 scale

[Tuskin38]

Jefferies reasoned everything could fit within the confines of the ship we saw on the screen

The size so many fans take to be the real size of the Enterprise was originally for the single deck saucer version of the ship with the taller bridge dome.

The later version of the design with the smaller bridge and two decks in the saucer cannot be the same size. Jeffries never released a revised size

 

[Tallguy]

The size so many fans take to be the real size of the Enterprise was originally for the single deck saucer version of the ship with the taller bridge dome.

The later version of the design with the smaller bridge and two decks in the saucer cannot be the same size. Jeffries never released a revised size

Interesting theory. His drawing's with a scale all have the main series nacelles and he uses the same scale for his Klingon cruiser drawings. Also his cutaway showing a two deck saucer (and the comparison with the nuclear carrier Enterprise) have the same scale.

I believe you may have it backwards: We have no idea what the size of the original plan for the ship was.

 

[fireproof78]

Am I the only one who can't see it?

 

[Tallguy]

Am I the only one who can't see it?

Shaw's post? I can see it. (It's beautiful!)

 

[fireproof78]

Shaw's post? I can see it. (It's beautiful!)

Strange. Can't on 2 devices. Assuming it's a wiki link.

 

[blssdwlf]

Strange. Can't on 2 devices. Assuming it's a wiki link.

It's coming from Shaw's site so you might have some firewall or browser rule blocking it... or there is some kind of hotlinking prevention being triggered on his site.

I'm very curious about the TOS Enterprise cutaway that has the hangar deck drawn in. Which book or source is that from?

 

[fireproof78]

It's coming from Shaw's site so you might have some firewall or browser rule blocking it... or there is some kind of hotlinking prevention being triggered on his site.

Guess it wasn't meant for me to see.

 

[Tallguy]

I'm very curious about the TOS Enterprise cutaway that has the hangar deck drawn in. Which book or source is that from?

Fifth one down? It was in The Making of Star Trek.

 

[blssdwlf]

Fifth one down? It was in The Making of Star Trek.

Yes, that's the one. But in TMOST that hangar deck area is grayed out (I have the book in front of me).

 

[Mytran]

Guess it wasn't meant for me to see.

I had to right-click and "open image in new tab" to see them

 

[Tallguy]

Yes, that's the one. But in TMOST that hangar deck area is grayed out (I have the book in front of me).

So it is. Anyone else have an answer?

 

[UssGlenn]

So it is. Anyone else have an answer?

Looks like he transplanted the Phase II hanger to fill in the space.

 

[BK613]

The interior scenes seem like it could be possible...

Yeah, the inside is quite roomy :

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(note: label is wrong on the video. the C-119 was the 'Flying Boxcar' not the C -82. but it's a C-82 in the video.)

 

[BK613]

And for those who are curious how Jefferies looked at the Enterprise when he was asked by Roddenberry to re-design the ship for the Star Trek II TV series, here is a quick-n-dirty comparison of some of Jefferies' drawings of the original Enterprise and the Phase II version. It is interesting to look at what he changed from 1966 to 1977... and what he didn't.

Just to clarify, the Phase II versions of the ship in that drawing were done by you, correct? And not by MJ? A synthesis of your research done in imitation of the drawing found in TMOST, complete with cut-and-pasted labels and arrows?

 

[Tallguy]

Just to clarify, the Phase II versions of the ship in that drawing were done by you, correct? And not by MJ? A synthesis of your research done in imitation of the drawing found in TMOST, complete with cut-and-pasted labels and arrows?

Nope. I wasn't sure but I just found the original MJ drawing. The illustrious (heh) Mr. Shaw cleaned up the MJ original.

http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/site_demo/p2e_1977_plans/index.html

 

[scotpens]

There remains an onscreen clue to the original intent for the shuttlecraft’s interior size: the chairs. The chairs are set low and unusually close to the deck. And in an interview with Stephen Whitfield, who built the shuttlecraft for TOS, he claims the original set was to have a lower ceiling.

I assume you mean Gene Winfield.

 

[PCz911]

Pity that mike started the thread but never checks back. There be some good info in these darn pages. (Not sure why I suddenly felt like a pirate).

 

[BK613]

Nope. I wasn't sure but I just found the original MJ drawing. The illustrious (heh) Mr. Shaw cleaned up the MJ original.

http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/site_demo/p2e_1977_plans/index.html

That's the point. The fact that those images in the pict posted were Shaw's cleaned up versions means they weren't drawn by MJ yet they were presented as such. Other people given the same source material might present slightly different 'cleaned-up' versions.

And I remain completely unconvinced that the similarity between the two goes beyond MJ—having been asked to revisit the Enterprise a decade later—simply using an existing set of drawings as a starting point. I think it is a stretch to assume any else, especially the idea that his thinking in 1964 was the same as it was in 1975.

 

[Tallguy]

Well, you have the originals for comparison. What are the great departures do you think that were made from the original?

Had MJ been designing a brand new ship in 197x then maybe he would have had different thinking. But he was revisiting his most famous and successful design ever. Of course he was going to keep a lot of it the same, Especially since the conceit was that it WAS the same, only upgraded.

 

[Warped9]

I must be one of the few not overly taken with MJ’s Phase II refit. I like the TOS E much better. And I think the TMP refit looks better than the Phase II version.