Why don't we talk about how Netflix 'always' cancels shows after two seasons* for a while?
That's a nice bullshit-filled canard that should pass a few more pages in this thread.
Let’s not.
I would totally be down with an updated TOS
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Yep, this is pretty much the essence of the current state of affairs. The money tap is turned off and the streaming bubble has popped/is popping. I don't think Trek is doomed or whatever but things will definitely be different.
I can get behind that. That series will probably end with Kirk retiring (the first time) and Spock being promoted to Captain.
Setting a show after TMP would have several advantages. You could insert a new uniform design, and Wesley's age is correct. You also avoid the issue of overwriting TOS. You could have the story of Spock meeting/rescuing young Saavik. Then at the end Kirk meets Antonia.
SNW is the Pike show. We know where it goes, but there IS probably room for a CAPTAIN KIRK: YEAR ONE thing, either a mini series or telefilm(s) especially if it looks more likely JJ won't make the fourth Pine/Quinto film.
The big thing is working around the second pilot - McCoy isn't on board there but they'll probably want to include him somewhere. Yes he was allegedly below decks on Season 1 but will Chekov be around (is he out of diapers yet in this universe!?)
Do we meet Gary Mitchell, Elizabeth Denher?
+1
The effects didn't go over the top or be garish for the sake of superimposing an effect, they felt like they added to the story. Star Wars got blingy, and Red Dwarf - despite trying to parody Star Wars - stumbled as well, hence series I-III's original look being re-canonized.
They're different, but they're not always going to be in the same style of what the original writers and makers lived through or intended to portray. Huge difference, which is a reason why - in 1987 - we got TNG set nearly 100 years into the future instead and dealing with topical stories as well, since "Too Short a Season" was topical as well as poking at "A Private Little War" made 20-some years earlier... (Now imagine if "The Undiscovered Country" was going to be "the academy days where we'd see how they all met, what a small small galaxy it is..." Especially when TWOK goes out of its way to cleverly get old characters doing new things and, by a proper series of events, do they end up together without it feeling forced. Case in point, the 1990s TNG movies involving Worf's magical return got more and more outlandish, but before I really digress...)
Sequels still seem preferable, because they can get around canon and continuity problems more readily - almost zero chance of introducing a random variable or oversight that renders something else nonsensical as a result. TNG did a good job, all nitpicks considered, of keeping it in the future - especially after "The Naked Now", which was already dated 5 minutes before it was broadcast due to the title alone, never mind how the script ditches the bulk of character motivations and undercurrent by making this Psi2000 virus variant do nothing more than make everyone intoxicated and horny. It's a form of devolution and certainly not as sophisticated, and is an example of a then-modern show rewriting the old one to appeal to the established fans as much as whomever was the intended casual audience, who were too busy drinking and shagging to care about a bunch of actors pretending to drink and shag on screen. Prequels have to toe a very fine line.
Yeah, casuals won't care either way, but what demographic is the typical target/predominant audience for such a such? Usually established fans - which then goes into the other chestnut as to which timeline the modern era takes place in, e.g. the same as TOS/TNG or since the Kelvin reboot. It makes more sense to headcanon the latter. If nothing else, just say "it's a double-double multiverse convergence crossover in the timelines" and all plot points are resolved. Of course, that removes the concept of tension since, next week, another random episode makes the investment in the characters moot, so why bother with character drama? It's like the TV show "Dollhouse" only on more metabolism-accelerating and mind-altering substances... at least "Dollhouse" had a different explanation for it all, but we're not attached to the main personality that's stored somewhere but rather the character mannerisms inserted every week. Which might be better for casual audiences and channel flippers... and certainly for the actors who relish the idea of getting to show range in acting ability... all in all, season one was pretty cool...[/quote][/QUOTE]
What I could see happening is, Strange New Worlds could either continue under that name or just "evolve" into what becomes TOS. I can't remember when Where No Man Has Gone Before takes place in relation to when Kirk first got command of the Enterprise, so it makes me wonder if there is some wiggle room to play in between the end of SNW and the start of WNMHGB. I don't know that it would be a ton of time, but, I could potentially bridge the gap there.
I definitely want a Kirk-led sequel to SNW, but I don't know whether that necessarily requires a "remake" of TOS. Maybe they can find a way to make it fit in before, after, or in-between what we've seen in TOS.
I don't even particularly care about them exploring "Nu-Kirk" as my friend calls him, I just want more Trek made in the same style by the same people as SNW. In the dark, dark years after ENT, when us Trekkies got zero new content, I dreamed of getting a show as entertaining as SNW. However long it lasts won't be long enough. I know the story will run its course, so I don't want SNW to last forever, but I'm just never going to be ready to stop being this excited for new Trek episodes.
So when it's done, give me a Kirk-led Enterprise with new adventures in whatever form for which h the writers can figure out a reasonable approach - before, during, or after TOS.
I don't even particularly care about them exploring "Nu-Kirk" as my friend calls him, I just want more Trek made in the same style by the same people as SNW. In the dark, dark years after ENT, when us Trekkies got zero new content, I dreamed of getting a show as entertaining as SNW. However long it lasts won't be long enough. I know the story will run its course, so I don't want SNW to last forever, but I'm just never going to be ready to stop being this excited for new Trek episodes.
So when it's done, give me a Kirk-led Enterprise with new adventures in whatever form for which h the writers can figure out a reasonable approach - before, during, or after TOS.
In the late 80s/early 90s I used to wish for not one but two Trek series following the movie-era TOS crew: first five years of the post-TMP period, called Star Trek: The Human Adventure, mostly doing more cerebral sf; then a subsequent five more years with mostly the same cast, taking place on the Enterprise-A after ST5 and gradually growing more naval-adventure, just called Star Trek: The Adventure Continues and leading up to the attitudes on display in ST6 and the need to end the conflict with the Klingons. Never would have happened, of course, but I liked the idea of a good solid ten more years of Kirk and co. (And getting some use out of those tags at the ends of TMP and ST3.)
I can imagine a P+ telemovie about their version of the TOS crew on their first adventure together once SNW finishes.
Fans are already mad at the lack of Dr. Boyce and Gary Mitchell.
Fans are already mad at the lack of Dr. Boyce and Gary Mitchell.
With such a good premise this could certainly be a quite good show too.
After watching the new Babylon 5 movie: The Road Home. I would love if they used SNW actors in animated films to detail certain aspects of the timeline that hasn't been filled in. (I.E. Kirk's time on the Farragut, April's command of the Enterprise, Kirk's first mission in his FYM, ETC.)
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