DS9 had a 10 part final episode.
I expected that level of effort from Voyager.
Instead, I just cried a lot.
I expected that level of effort from Voyager.
Instead, I just cried a lot.
How would you have liked Voyager to end? (Spoilers)
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Q realizes that he wants a child with Seven rather than Kathryn. He proposes this to her in exchange for getting Voyager home right away and she goes for it as it is the efficient thing to do to get the crew home. Q and Seven could have had some fun quarreling, the little Q-ling would have been one smart and beautiful omnipotent little rascal, that whole C/7 nonsense would have never started, and Kathryn and Chakotay could have devoured each other the second they entered the AQ. Simple but very satisfying solution - in my mind at least.
They get home, however is fine, but the Maquis stage a mutiny and attack Cardassia with Borg weapons! A long con!!!!
But really, I think they should have gotten home sooner in the season and discovered they were happiest together exploring. Last line could have been Tom Paris "Where to next, Captain?"
But really, I think they should have gotten home sooner in the season and discovered they were happiest together exploring. Last line could have been Tom Paris "Where to next, Captain?"
Your idea is really interesting
but, does it mean that Chakotay (please, let's Seven out of his fight -> she deserves better) and his friends from Maquis, would remain in the Delta Quadrant to fight Cardassians with the possibility of all to be killed and only the Voyager and its Starfleet crew get home (I guess that Tom/Torres and their daughter, Miral would stay on Earth after and the couple would work in the private) to leave again for another mission, after a brief period of 1 or 2 years in the course of which they discover that the life on Earth is less exciting than the exploration of the space. Even if it means being lost in the middle of nowhere AGAIN, where ennemies would wait them. I approve and Gosh, it would allow us to watch a sequel: The New Adventures of Voyager!
I don't mind 'Endgame' and the way they eventually got home, I just wanted to see more of the homecoming than a bunch of ships escorting Voyager to the Earth in the distance. Dump a couple of the weaker season seven episodes and have five more shows after Voyager returned. Like how 'Family' worked to resolve some issues left over from 'The Best of Both Worlds', have the Voyager crew reunite with their families and friends, Show what happens with 7 of 9 on Earth- all sorts of story potentials there.
Have the final episode reflect back to the beginning of 'Endgame' by jumping that far into the future once again, but this is the one in which Voyager returned several years earlier, Tuvok is fine and 7 of 9 is alive, Lets see what the new future timeline holds for the crew..
Have the final episode reflect back to the beginning of 'Endgame' by jumping that far into the future once again, but this is the one in which Voyager returned several years earlier, Tuvok is fine and 7 of 9 is alive, Lets see what the new future timeline holds for the crew..
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Yeah. To end with them not getting home would feel like a waste. All that crap they went through. Kim will never know if he and Naomi are they copies or the rest of Voyager, Tuvok will forever be damaged sharing a conciousness with Neelix, Janeway even had lizard babies with Tom for christ sakes. That story needed a resolution.
Resolution is destination.
It's not about the Destination.
It's not about the Destination.
I don't know, man. Talk about an uncomfortable run in with an ex.
Mark: yeah, my kids are just entering kindergarten and Mollie had more puppies, how have you been?
Janeway: I, uh, had some lizard babies with my helmsman. It was a highly evolved relationship. I mean really evolved. We left them on a random planet we found...but they were pretty smart little lizards...so...yeah...
That's the kind of awkward silence of stay in Delta quadrant to avoid.
Ah undoubtedly, THRESHOLD will have caused a lot of mocking comments, even after all these years! I would have adored being present at the time of the shooting of this episode when the actors made their read table, and in the presence of the scriptwriter, of course.
It had to be something!
I would have liked to see a full blown descent\ obsession into madness with Janeway getting the crew home. Open on a twitchy Janeway drinking coffee with a half drunken pot in the background and go from there.
There is something to be said about that. It would be along the lines of what happened to Sisko at the end of DS9. There is a price that must be paid. She gets the crew home but at the cost of her sanity.
I found the first half of the DS9 finale - which was about the end of the Dominion War - rather exciting. Unfortunately, the second half, which went into detail about the characters' fate bored me senseless. In fact, DS9 is the only Trek series that did this. And I am forever grateful that VOYAGER did not utilize this narrative device in its finale.
Rushed? This complaint makes no sense to me whatsoever, considering what happened in the finale.
I'd have to agree with @Guy Gardener a bit there. Voyager's finale felt like it came out of nowhere. It didn't have much of a buildup and I always had a problem with future Janeway. For one, why didn't she come back a few days earlier and save Carry, and two, with all the tech they come across, they didn't need future Janeway's help at all.
Previous post covering my thoughts.
Previous post covering my thoughts.
During 7 years, we followed the eventful adventures of a crew, which found itself lost by force of circumstance in an other part of space, totally unknown and, which did everything to return In its starting point, the Earth (wherever it was: New Zealand or San Francisco) ...
And in this sense, Endgame reached its goal in showing us the Voyager and its crew coming home, slowly but surely and well surrounded by almost all Starfleet armada. The journey of Voyager as begun in Caretaker with the vessel being lost in middle of nowhere AND the journey ended with the same vessel, safe and sound after their last adventure, returning at home. The circle was complete and it was ok.
The problem is that, as diligent viewers, we shared the daily life of a bunch of people of about 10 people during 7 years (well ok, for me, it took 4 months to watch the whole season, but never mind!
), sharing their loneliness, their joys and sorrows, victories and disappointments, and lessons learned. But well, it was when they were isolated, relying on themselves and for a significant period.
Result: we became simply attached to them, as individual and as collective!
It would have been nice to follow them making their first steps in their return to Earth (in particular Seven, Miral and the Doctor for whom, it had to be a total discovery), as to be reassured that everything would be well for them...
In this sense, the abrupt end of Endgame left with us on our hunger.
For example: Will the ex-members of Maquis still be considered as outlaws by the Federation or will they be forgiven for service provided on the Voyager? ; Will Janeway be worried for her numerous violations of Prime Directive and others actions? ; Will Seven be worried by the Federation and Starfleet for her "Borgness"? Will the same Seven poursue the romance - begun on Voyager - with Chakotay and if yes, will they eventually marry? ; Will Harry finally get his pins of Lieutenant-Commander? ; Will Torres be well accepted by Paris family and what will she and Tom do at a professional level? ; And what about the Doctor? Will its program be deleted because too old or independent?
So much questions left pending at the end of Endgame! Of course, there are the fanfictions but well, they don't inevitably reflect what the producers, writers wanted for their characters. And let us be honest, certain stories are inconceivable to imagine.
And in this sense, Endgame reached its goal in showing us the Voyager and its crew coming home, slowly but surely and well surrounded by almost all Starfleet armada. The journey of Voyager as begun in Caretaker with the vessel being lost in middle of nowhere AND the journey ended with the same vessel, safe and sound after their last adventure, returning at home. The circle was complete and it was ok.
The problem is that, as diligent viewers, we shared the daily life of a bunch of people of about 10 people during 7 years (well ok, for me, it took 4 months to watch the whole season, but never mind!
), sharing their loneliness, their joys and sorrows, victories and disappointments, and lessons learned. But well, it was when they were isolated, relying on themselves and for a significant period.Result: we became simply attached to them, as individual and as collective!
It would have been nice to follow them making their first steps in their return to Earth (in particular Seven, Miral and the Doctor for whom, it had to be a total discovery), as to be reassured that everything would be well for them...
In this sense, the abrupt end of Endgame left with us on our hunger.
For example: Will the ex-members of Maquis still be considered as outlaws by the Federation or will they be forgiven for service provided on the Voyager? ; Will Janeway be worried for her numerous violations of Prime Directive and others actions? ; Will Seven be worried by the Federation and Starfleet for her "Borgness"? Will the same Seven poursue the romance - begun on Voyager - with Chakotay and if yes, will they eventually marry? ; Will Harry finally get his pins of Lieutenant-Commander? ; Will Torres be well accepted by Paris family and what will she and Tom do at a professional level? ; And what about the Doctor? Will its program be deleted because too old or independent?
So much questions left pending at the end of Endgame! Of course, there are the fanfictions but well, they don't inevitably reflect what the producers, writers wanted for their characters. And let us be honest, certain stories are inconceivable to imagine.
Why doesn't the beginning of the episode with its look at the "original future" answer most of those questions? It shows that Janeway and the crew, including the former Maquis members, were well-regarded, Harry rose in rank while Paris and Torres went into writing and diplomacy; I don't see how the crew getting home earlier would do much to change those outcomes. It would be pretty out of place for the series and overall franchise if Seven (although her reaction to getting to Earth and future plans are indeed pretty much omitted) or the former Maquis had faced intense hostility over their pasts or there was consideration of deactivating the Doctor.
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