Everything I ever read, said it was twice the size of a Connie.
How big was the Enterprise?
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Everything I ever read, said it was twice the size of a Connie.
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TAS bridge
Is the bridge at a funny angle?
Now I'm not too sure how accurate that bridge layout graphic is. If you look at the second turbolift exit, it's a duplicate of the turbolift alcove between communications and engineering and wider than the half-segment given here. It would have to be the half-station width and just a trick of...
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Your post got cut off after "trick of" but I think I get your jist. However, the view in TAS off in several ways.Here
TAS bridge
Is the bridge at a funny angle?
Now I'm not too sure how accurate that bridge layout graphic is. If you look at the second turbolift exit, it's a duplicate of the turbolift alcove between communications and engineering and wider than the half-segment given here. It would have to be the half-station width and just a trick of...
Here's the second turbolift:
The alcove is not a direct copy of the standard turbolift one. Checking the wall with the yellow plaque on it it is clearly at a right angle to the alcove entrance, rather than a more diagonal angle (which the standard turbolift alcove wall is)
The width of the alcove seems to have been exaggerated slightly, but the console next to it has also been drawn undersized (there should be 4 mid-level screens each side of the centre of the console but there are only 3).
As a result of this console shortening, the hand rail is also missing a segment (there should be 3, not 2)
My version has the Excelsior at 612m. The Saucer has to be at least a tiny bit larger than the Constitution.
The Excelsior was scaled for one saucer deck at the official size, but there are clearly 2 decks by the windows. Between that and the cutaway of the Enterprise-B seen in Generations, the ship needs to be at least 640m in order to fit her finer details, and something like 770 in order to fit the bridge module.
I've always been curious why the choices made that were, but I'd guess they decided the size then just spammed on loads of tiny windows because it looked cool and they assumed we'd never be looking at it 30 years later.
I've always been curious why the choices made that were, but I'd guess they decided the size then just spammed on loads of tiny windows because it looked cool and they assumed we'd never be looking at it 30 years later.
What fools they were!
Now you see it (the potential opening);
now you don't.
Assuming that second bridge access point did exist in "Wink of an Eye", and that is the route that Kirk used to leave the bridge, that would have meant that Kirk/Shatner literally did an exit stage right.
@Mytran, what episode are those screencaps from?
I notice in the lower left corner of the first photo a piece of wood, with splashes of paint on it, can be seen attached to the floor/stage. I want to see if I can spot that piece of wood the next time I watch that episode.
I also noticed that Spock's scope appear to be a different color from one screencap compared to the other screencap.
There was a spare opening next to Spock's console
now you don't.
Assuming that second bridge access point did exist in "Wink of an Eye", and that is the route that Kirk used to leave the bridge, that would have meant that Kirk/Shatner literally did an exit stage right.
@Mytran, what episode are those screencaps from?
I notice in the lower left corner of the first photo a piece of wood, with splashes of paint on it, can be seen attached to the floor/stage. I want to see if I can spot that piece of wood the next time I watch that episode.
I also noticed that Spock's scope appear to be a different color from one screencap compared to the other screencap.
Yep, that retractable Navigation console certainly a neat feature!Now you see it (the potential opening);
now you don't.
Top one is from Errand Of Mercy. Bottom one is from Obsession.
It does appear that they repainted Spock's scope after Season One, probably to make it stand out more from the console.
The reverse was done with the side of Spock's console, as seen in this clip from WNMHGB:
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^ Thanks for that info.
I have wondered what exactly did Nimoy see when he looked into that scope.
It was clearly lit in the inside. Was Nimoy looking at some light bulbs? I assume it was a soft glow recessed type of lighting; otherwise, a direct shining of light would have been uncomfortable or damaging to Nimoy's eyes when he stared into it.
I have wondered what exactly did Nimoy see when he looked into that scope.
It was clearly lit in the inside. Was Nimoy looking at some light bulbs? I assume it was a soft glow recessed type of lighting; otherwise, a direct shining of light would have been uncomfortable or damaging to Nimoy's eyes when he stared into it.
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Nimoy must have had a stage trick, such that he wasn't looking directly at the light bulb but it looked like he was.
Along with the ergonomic problem of bending over a hooded viewer, if the data was always bright blue, then standing watch after watch would mess up his eyes.
As a young man, I worked at a micrographics company. We took in client documents and put them on microfilm. One of the cameras I operated was the Computer Output Microform (COM) system.
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I would take a client's 12-inch magnetic reel and mount it on one of those refrigerator-sized tape drives you see in old sci-fi movies. That would feed computer data to the camera machine, in which a little CRT screen would flash text pages from the tape, in bright blue letters, to expose that data onto the 105mm film as many rows of tiny pages.
But the CRT text images had to be aligned with the proper glass slide in the camera, which saved "vast" (in those days) amounts of data, because the slide contained the form that repeats on every page, like boxes and column headings.
Anyway, to align the slide, I had to look into a microscope eyepiece with my dominant eye, and adjust the slide until the microscopic alphanumeric data was positioned just right within the form. And one day I noticed that blue things in the real world were a lot less blue in my dominant eye, because the work was fatiguing that retina.
Luckily it wasn't permanent, but that hooded viewer is not doing Spock's eyesight any favors. Or his lower back.
That is fascinating work that you did. Glad there wasn't any permanent damage to your eyesight. Thanks for sharing that info.Nimoy must have had a stage trick, such that he wasn't looking directly at the light bulb but it looked like he was.
Along with the ergonomic problem of bending over a hooded viewer, if the data was always bright blue, then standing watch after watch would mess up his eyes.
As a young man, I worked at a micrographics company. We took in client documents and put them on microfilm. One of the cameras I operated was the Computer Output Microform (COM) system.
Microform - Wikipedia
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I would take a client's 12-inch magnetic reel and mount it on one of those refrigerator-sized tape drives you see in old sci-fi movies. That would feed computer data to the camera machine, in which a little CRT screen would flash text pages from the tape, in bright blue letters, to expose that data onto the 105mm film as many rows of tiny pages.
But the CRT text images had to be aligned with the proper glass slide in the camera, which saved "vast" (in those days) amounts of data, because the slide contained the form that repeats on every page, like boxes and column headings.
Anyway, to align the slide, I had to look into a microscope eyepiece with my dominant eye, and adjust the slide until the microscopic alphanumeric data was positioned just right within the form. And one day I noticed that blue things in the real world were a lot less blue in my dominant eye, because the work was fatiguing that retina.
Luckily it wasn't permanent, but that hooded viewer is not doing Spock's eyesight any favors. Or his lower back.
I don't know if this is related to the type of work that you did, but I remember, back in my college days, when I had to do research at the library, some source materials were stored in the form of microfiche or microfilm.
You had to place the microfiche or microfilm in a device specifically designed for those things in order to read what was on them. I didn't always like doing the research, but I always enjoyed putting those microfilm device on fast forward or fast rewind, and seeing those microfilm reels spin at warp speed.
Getting back to Star Trek, in-universe, when Spock was steering into the scope, I don't know if he ever described how he was receiving the information that he was looking at. Was Spock looking at information in the form of text, graphs, video, CGI generated images, or what exactly.
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He was likely looking at a light with a blue filter over it.
Direct periscope to the main visible light sensors. Why? Because computers aren't really good at pattern recognition.
The Science station is mostly visible displays of false color images. But for some things it is better to actually look.
Uhura's station is primarily a listening one - hence the ear piece receiver.
The next step down from pattern recognition is property recognition. Looking at or listening to individual samples. In the case of images, looking at individual pixels; in particular their spectrum.
Watch 'Shore Leave' some time. What is the Tricorder doing? Picking up electromagnetic fields of nerves, and heartbeats. The central nervous system generates a very large electromagnetic field. So, a "life form" is something that has a heartbeat and a brain. Plants don't quite have either.
But remember that an EMF, is a point source. Hence property recognition.
Not pattern recognition.
The Science station is mostly visible displays of false color images. But for some things it is better to actually look.
Uhura's station is primarily a listening one - hence the ear piece receiver.
The next step down from pattern recognition is property recognition. Looking at or listening to individual samples. In the case of images, looking at individual pixels; in particular their spectrum.
Watch 'Shore Leave' some time. What is the Tricorder doing? Picking up electromagnetic fields of nerves, and heartbeats. The central nervous system generates a very large electromagnetic field. So, a "life form" is something that has a heartbeat and a brain. Plants don't quite have either.
But remember that an EMF, is a point source. Hence property recognition.
Not pattern recognition.
I seem to remember Navy ships having those.
If I were to do a fan bridge, it would be a CRT in there. You would look in there infrequently.
Now, look at the warmth of this display:
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THAT should be the tiny screen in front of Spock that has no hood.
I seem to remember Navy ships having those.
If I were to do a fan bridge, it would be a CRT in there. You would look in there infrequently.
Now, look at the warmth of this display:
Not A Sewing Machine: A Multimedia Briefcase
When you think of Singer, you usually think of sewing machines, although if you are a history buff, you might remember they diversified into calculators, flight simulation, and a few other odd busi…
THAT should be the tiny screen in front of Spock that has no hood.
Oh come now. That's just a Space: 1999 prop and you're having us on.
Edit: If my grade school didn't have those it had something very similar. I feel like Dax in Trials and Tribblations seeing a 2260's tricorder.
You don't own a lawn. The lawn owns you. Blessed is the lawn. "All hail the Ori."If only the neighbor's damn kids knew property recognition. Stay off my lawn!!
