I assume the version seen in Generation. It had extra bits added to blow up.
How big was the Enterprise?
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No, it's an all new class of ship first seen in Picard season 2, and more prominently in season 3.
That explains it. I try not to think about Picard.No, it's an all new class of ship first seen in Picard season 2, and more prominently in season 3.
No, this one was a modified design, probably one of the very first Excelsior-class ships produced. The Lokota (from a DS9 episode) had the same design (reused model).
Can't say I blame you. Though I do appreciate that the Excelsior II is an original design and not one of the eyesores from Star Trek Online, even if it is ugly in its own right. I hate the neck.
I don't like it. This is lazy. It's just the Excelsior reworked to be angular and edgy for the late 24th century, rolling into the 25th. Why not just come up with something new, like Excelsior to Ambassador to Galaxy to Sovereign?No, it's an all new class of ship first seen in Picard season 2, and more prominently in season 3.
Ask Thy Lord Terry.
I was speaking of production, not in-universe. They modified the model for Generations.
Oh, I'm aware. They modified the design to give the audience something new, but it's very much an Excelsior-class ship, just months after ST6 where the Excelsior was what, some 3 years into it's first mission? The Excelsior-class was brand new. The Ent-B was likely among the first five produced. It likely had modifications to make it special due to it being named the Enterprise-B, gotta make it special.
First ship of class, Excelsior: circa 2283 (STIII:TSFS)
Launch of new Enterprise-B: circa 2295 (ST:GEN)
So, how many Excelsior Class ships does Starfleet build in the ~12 year span?
YMMV 
First ship of class, Excelsior: circa 2283 (STIII:TSFS)
Launch of new Enterprise-B: circa 2295 (ST:GEN)
So, how many Excelsior Class ships does Starfleet build in the ~12 year span?
Actually, the Excelsior was commissioned in 2285, and the Ent-B in 2293. So that's only an 8 year span.
Budget.Why are so many starships just glowing blobs on this show?
Keep saying to yourself: "It's only a tv show".
Best viewed in youth, when your imagination is better at filling in the gaps.
Yes, and the Excelsior was still a working prototype until sent out on its first deep space mission under Captain Sulu. If ST-III is 2285 and ST-VI is 2293, as you said, that's an 8-year-window. It's possible that once the Excelsior shifted from NX-2000 to NCC-2000 (no longer experimental), it went into production, some 3-4 years prior to the launch of the Enterprise-B. It's reasonable to conclude the Enterprise-B was in the "first batch" of Excelsior-class ships produced after the prototype. We can't assume the class was in mass production all the way back to 2285.
I know we've wondered off topic, but I just googled the words "Excelsior class length" and the first thing I saw was 511.25 metres. Did somebody already mention where that came from?
I'm stuffed up with a heavy head cold, and I haven't the energy to look at my old reference guides, but I think that's what most people will now see if they're ever curious. Better size, or no?
I'm stuffed up with a heavy head cold, and I haven't the energy to look at my old reference guides, but I think that's what most people will now see if they're ever curious. Better size, or no?
Going back to the original thread, where does one draw the line with "movie magic"? Are we seeing a 100% literal video feed of Star Trek's world to be taken as such, or a TV show? I recall reading an article about Franz Joseph Schnaubelt once that explained his 1701 deck plans, even the shape of his Enterprise was an "idealised" version of Trek. Ditto the Star Fleet Technical Manual. How it would "really" be without the constraints of television production.
I'm sure we all know TV production leads to impossible building layouts and apartment sizes no regular human could afford.
I'm sure we all know TV production leads to impossible building layouts and apartment sizes no regular human could afford.
Everyone brings their own set of priorities to the task of trying to reconcile and rationalize what we see on the screen. FJ is a fair example in that he did what he thought he had to do to make it work. But dedicated fans have since shown that the ship doesn’t have to be altered or enlarged to make it work.
There is a fair bit of technical archeology involved in trying to understand what Matt Jefferies intended. Sometimes what Jefferies thought and what the showrunners wanted clashed.
There is a fair bit of technical archeology involved in trying to understand what Matt Jefferies intended. Sometimes what Jefferies thought and what the showrunners wanted clashed.
I rewatched Halfscreen's video on the deck plans, and it all seems to work great to me. He may have taken some liberties, (I don't see two decks in the saucer rim, but was that ever shown in the show?) but it is very well done.
I guess it's all to do with the eye of the beholder, or the fascination with the subject that makes many fans want to make it all work better. But if somebody else can make it fit, then I'm just happy to go along without too many questions.
I guess it's all to do with the eye of the beholder, or the fascination with the subject that makes many fans want to make it all work better. But if somebody else can make it fit, then I'm just happy to go along without too many questions.
The DS9 Tech Manual was I think the source for that number.
Halfscreen built Franz Joseph's version of the Enterprise as indicated in the Youtube description. It is how Franz Joseph imagined the Enterprise to be. TOS didn't show how many decks were in the saucer rim.
There is no one answer as it depends on what you are looking to recreate. The good thing about the TOS Enterprise is that the only set that you can place on the ship is the flight deck. All the other sets, even the bridge, have some wiggle room. The shuttle on the other hand
Agreed, mostly.
Regarding Matt Jefferies' Enterprise (presumably as seen in The Making of Star Trek and other artbooks). Has anyone built it physically or virtually? I haven't found examples of this and it seems odd that it is referenced so much without actually being recreated.
It has a very different BC deck when viewed from above, a different saucer rim, nacelles hung at a different point making them further apart and a different engineering hull shape.
