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How big was the Enterprise?

The Antares design came from the Animated Series, so it was never intended for the show but it was from the same era.

Now I'm wondering if there actually is any concept art for TOS ships that were never made. I can't remember ever seeing any, though they did recycle a concept for the Enterprise into the Daedalus-class model in Sisko's office.
I think you're right here.

If you want concepts for the Enterprise, of which the Daedalus was one, I'd recommend checking out The Making of Star Trek and some other books.

As a huge TOS fan (it's still my favorite show of all time although TNG and DS9 are right up there with TOS, they're all just classic), it was kind of frustrating that, for so long, there weren't that many other ships shown. The reason why was obvious. It was all due to money. I read in an interview or a book that, adjusting for inflation, TOS spent as much on their effects as TNG. The problem was, it was a lot harder to do those effects I guess and more costly. You didn't get nearly as much bang for your buck. So we had these ships, like the Gorn ship, or the Orion ship and the like, that weren't even show or just a flickering light effect. The Antares was the Botany Bay model, and the Way to Eden ship was the Tholian Ship with some nacelles added on. Mudd's ship was a big white dot.

I know there are purists who didn't like the remastered sfx for TOS, but, speaking for myself, I loved them. The Enterprise just looked amazing and the HD effects were so clear. Also, finally, we had ship designs for all those ships, the Gorn ship, Mudd's ship, the Antares, etc, that never ever had one.

All that said, that original Enterprise design is still just so dang great. They've tweaked and stretched that initial Jeffries concept so much over time, from Probert's radical Ent-D, to the George's Excelsior, Eaves Ent-D, Sternbach's Voyager, the Discovery (Mark Worthington was the production designer), and Ryan Church's ST 2009 Enterprise. The only design, that I think still has those perfect proportions of the original ship is Probert and Taylor's TMP Enterprise. Those ships just look great from every angle. Now, I love how radical a departure Probert's Ent-D was, and George and Eaves' sleek Excelsior and Ent-E designs, and yeah, Worthington's Discovery is interesting too, and I really like Church's hotrod Enterprise, but the Jeffries original and Probert and Taylor TMP ships, to me, are still the best imo.
 
As a huge TOS fan (it's still my favorite show of all time although TNG and DS9 are right up there with TOS, they're all just classic), it was kind of frustrating that, for so long, there weren't that many other ships shown. The reason why was obvious. It was all due to money. I read in an interview or a book that, adjusting for inflation, TOS spent as much on their effects as TNG. The problem was, it was a lot harder to do those effects I guess and more costly. You didn't get nearly as much bang for your buck. So we had these ships, like the Gorn ship, or the Orion ship and the like, that weren't even show or just a flickering light effect. The Antares was the Botany Bay model, and the Way to Eden ship was the Tholian Ship with some nacelles added on. Mudd's ship was a big white dot.
Very informative, and yes, many of the TOS ships were just dialogue and light blobs. :lol:
I know there are purists who didn't like the remastered sfx for TOS, but, speaking for myself, I loved them. The Enterprise just looked amazing and the HD effects were so clear. Also, finally, we had ship designs for all those ships, the Gorn ship, Mudd's ship, the Antares, etc, that never ever had one.
I wouldn't call myself a TOS purist, but there was no CGI in the 60's, and I don't like George Lucas Star Wars (original trilogy) grade re-edits. I'm watching the broadcast version of TOS on Blu-ray, but it's nice to know I have the option for the remastered version of the show. If I ever show it to a friend, we'll probably watch it that way.
All that said, that original Enterprise design is still just so dang great. They've tweaked and stretched that initial Jeffries concept so much over time, from Probert's radical Ent-D, to the George's Excelsior, Eaves Ent-D, Sternbach's Voyager, the Discovery (Mark Worthington was the production designer), and Ryan Church's ST 2009 Enterprise. The only design, that I think still has those perfect proportions of the original ship is Probert and Taylor's TMP Enterprise. Those ships just look great from every angle. Now, I love how radical a departure Probert's Ent-D was, and George and Eaves' sleek Excelsior and Ent-E designs, and yeah, Worthington's Discovery is interesting too, and I really like Church's hotrod Enterprise, but the Jeffries original and Probert and Taylor TMP ships, to me, are still the best imo.
Honestly, in all of Star Trek, the only ship I didn't like was Neelix's shuttle when we finally got to see it in VOY's 3rd season. It's not that it was ugly, but rather it looked like a lazy design thrown together too fast.
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What even is this? :lol:
 
Oh, yeah, another TOS ship: The eymorg ship from Spock's Brain.

As I recall, there is a scant second shot of it on the viewscreen or so. It looks like something that was whipped up in a woodshop, a spike with fins painted silver. It's appearance was probably short because they didn't want the audience to get too close a look at how cheap it was.

Needless to say, the remastered ship looked really interesting.
 
I actually had collection of these comic books,including this story.

Yeah, I totally knew it was wrong even then.

The transporter room was totally wrong, but I have to say, they made it look kind of cool.

It was like a 50s version of Star Trek. You could tell that the artists, at least, had absolutely no idea about the show beyond some pictures, probably. Gold Key comics.
 
I prefer to leave it at 289m. Unless all the other ships got a proportional rescale, other are scaled too "small"
Obviously ships that use Constitution "parts" would also need to be bumped up in size. And the Excelsior has already been discussed and near universally considered to be too small. Beyond those, what needs to be rescaled? The Ambassador is still considerably larger than an Excelsior. The Galaxy is still a behemoth. What doesn't work?
 
Obviously ships that use Constitution "parts" would also need to be bumped up in size. And the Excelsior has already been discussed and near universally considered to be too small. Beyond those, what needs to be rescaled? The Ambassador is still considerably larger than an Excelsior. The Galaxy is still a behemoth. What doesn't work?
Yeah, but what's the endgame? They'll be printing books with Excelsior stats from 30 years ago, for the next 30 years...

I love the enthusiasm, but this place has a terrible habit of shaming those who care about visual continuity, to damn-near the point of ridicule. Why is it then important that a deck is a little too big to squeeze inside original design specs?

A few feet, here and there, who cares? It's ART, apparently.
 
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