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Honestly, Insurrection isn't that bad...

I love Worf's line not about meeting the new crew members yet.

The booty stuff I think they gave in to Stewart more and more in the later seasons then movies. That whole buggy scene in Nemesis is totally to pander to Stewart.
 
I love Worf's line not about meeting the new crew members yet.

The booty stuff I think they gave in to Stewart more and more in the later seasons then movies. That whole buggy scene in Nemesis is totally to pander to Stewart.

I think the biggest flaw in the TNG movies was having the TNG TV people handle them. That and they never gave anyone time to miss the TNG crew.
 
Picard vs a corrupt Starfleet is a great idea for a film. But, Picard rescuing a village of white humanoids when he did the complete opposite with the Native American planet... is not.
non-Native American planet surely? 😅
 
Everyone thinks of Kirk as the ladies' man, but in the movies all he gets is grief from his estranged ex, the brush off from Gillian, a kiss from an evil shapeshifter, and a horse.

Picard gets a fake wife, a snog from a spunky sidekick and a hot 900 year old.

At the very least, the script needed another revision or three. It is a shame that is how Piller ended his Trek run.
 
Picard vs a corrupt Starfleet is a great idea for a film. But, Picard rescuing a village of white humanoids when he did the complete opposite with the Native American planet... is not.
Liam Shaw's interpretation of the event may not be the most unbiased, but his perception of the Ba'ku incident probably mirrors how a lot in Starfleet felt about it privately.
 
I think the biggest flaw in the TNG movies was having the TNG TV people handle them. That and they never gave anyone time to miss the TNG crew.
I’d also add giving Patrick Stewart and Brent Spiner more creative control was a bad move, too. Stewart in particular seemed to understand his character the least out of everyone, hence the rise of Action Picard. The warning signs were there with his infamous “the captain doesn’t do enough screwing and shooting” comment to Ron Moore during season 3…
 
was largely about pretty white people fighting eminent domain. With the Federation, Starfleet and Picard looking like absolute idiots for not doing their homework before committing themselves to the situation. They telegraph that the S'ona and Daugherty were evil from a mile away. There's zero nuance to any of it, it is literally worse on that point than "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield".
Yup. There's no pretense to it. Just smash you over the head and don't question it.
 
Picard gets a fake wife, a snog from a spunky sidekick and a hot 900 year old.

The Baku had been on Baku for 309 years.

One of the children playing hacky sack said that he was 12 year olds.

So if a generation is 30 years, that's nine generations of Baku out there aging out in deep space, if the original settlers keep getting rid of all their new children every 30 years, rather than figuring out how to stretch their natural resources, or limit their procreation.

Lazy.
 
I’d also add giving Patrick Stewart and Brent Spiner more creative control was a bad move, too. Stewart in particular seemed to understand his character the least out of everyone, hence the rise of Action Picard. The warning signs were there with his infamous “the captain doesn’t do enough screwing and shooting” comment to Ron Moore during season 3…
Or he just wanted to have more fun playing the character regardless of how true it was to how he was originally written.

Stewart seems to be having a lot of fun voicing Agent Bullock on American Dad! and being completely outrageous. At least, he's been with it for years now.
 
Yeah military smashing shit up because they want resources and they'll fuck everyone up to get it? Yeah, very far idiotic 😅 *looks to the US smashing Iran up for oil* Oh how things change...
If we are attacking Iran to get oil, gas prices and the Strait of Hormuz suggest we are doing a really bad job of it...
 
...when did Kirk get kissed by a horse? ;p
Well, he goes into his "bedroom", finds a horse and says this is "better" than a hot woman.

Look, I'm not judging. We all have our Nexus fantasies and it must be weird when someone else is there to witness it.

I'm just saying, Kirk canonically slept with a horse.
 
Well, he goes into his "bedroom", finds a horse and says this is "better" than a hot woman.

Look, I'm not judging. We all have our Nexus fantasies and it must be weird when someone else is there to witness it.

I'm just saying, Kirk canonically slept with a horse.
Maybe Antonia is the horse...
 
Liam Shaw's interpretation of the event may not be the most unbiased, but his perception of the Ba'ku incident probably mirrors how a lot in Starfleet felt about it privately.
I believe it was @KRAD (among others, but he's the one I'm thinking of here most) who pointed out in his review of the relevant Picard episodes, that Picard and Riker were written and portrayed as the unwanted, even insane, admiral and aide archetype we've seen in Star Trek over the years. We sympathize with them because we know and have theoretically rooted for them over the years, but fundamentally they are the antagonists in the wrong.

I thought Shaw could have been harsher just by adding "in the middle of a fucking war" to his blast against Picard's actions in Insurrection. While the novels took pains over the years to say, "No, the Enterprise-E was involved in the Dominion War," I don't recall anything in Insurrection that actually suggests that, and the references to the war suggest something a bit distant.
 
I believe it was @KRAD (among others, but he's the one I'm thinking of here most) who pointed out in his review of the relevant Picard episodes, that Picard and Riker were written and portrayed as the unwanted, even insane, admiral and aide archetype we've seen in Star Trek over the years. We sympathize with them because we know and have theoretically rooted for them over the years, but fundamentally they are the antagonists in the wrong.

I thought Shaw could have been harsher just by adding "in the middle of a fucking war" to his blast against Picard's actions in Insurrection. While the novels took pains over the years to say, "No, the Enterprise-E was involved in the Dominion War," I don't recall anything in Insurrection that actually suggests that, and the references to the war suggest something a bit distant.
The crazy part is that Riker wasn't just disobeying Starfleet with Picard, he was specifically disobeying Crusher's own plea not to involve Starfleet, yet he and Picard hijacked the Titan anyway. We're supposed to believe that even if the Fed has no money that Riker, the hero who saved the Fed from the Borg, does not have a single off-grid connection or private ship to take Picard to Crusher. Especially when Picard himself just used Rios and La Sirena the past 2 seasons to do just that.

Shaw lost a bit of his credibility when he apparently revered La Forge despite La Forge taking part in all the rogue activities Picard was involved in that Shaw claimed to despise.
 
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