They have a certain flare.
It is that bad. I was so excited after First Contact that I brought relatives to see it when it was released, and felt embarrassed at how terrible it was. The horrible dialogue, failed humour, lame action (which was so forced it felt like there was a timer determining when the next action scene would occur), cliched plot... UGH.
Worst of the TNG films, and that's saying something.
Worst of the TNG films, and that's saying something.
when i was a kid, the city i lived in was supposed to build an oceanographic thingy in partnership with robert ballard, and emminent-domained an old neighborhood as part of that plan and there was a bit of an uproar.
and then the whole thing fell through...
This is exactly how I feel about Nemesis, and to an extent about both Generations, and Final Frontier. As far as FF is concerned, I had two coworkers along that had never seen Star Trek. They were thrilled with it. I had to bite my tongue before finally saying that the other films were "even better."
I have found that for me, subsequent viewings have softened my opinion, in that while I still consider FF and GEN bad Star Trek, they are still good films with entertaining stories. I haven't seen NEM a second time, and I doubt I will. There's just too much wrong with it for me to want to.
INS just feels small to me, not bad.
I re-watched the entire battle sequence in Nemesis last night, which is supposed to be the big event of the film. My opinion hasn't changed. It just falls flat to me. Everything about that film feels "off." It was kind of a mediocre script to begin with, but then Stuart Baird as a director just absolutely killed it. Others may disagree -- and I'm sure will! -- but I would rather watch Insurrection any day.
Stick to your guns son, no need to punk out on railing against those rudimentary four colour funnies.
Very good editor, very mediocre director.
In a bad way.
David Lean or Robert Wise, he certainly ain't.
I don't like Insurrection. I quite like all the ideas in the original drafts. Chasing the Fountain of Youth was always going to be a terrible idea. It looks and acts too light and fluffy. And it was done better already in episodes like "The Ensigns of the Command," "Who Watches the Watchers," "Journey's End." The Feds already have fancy enough tech to cure most things and this shit wears off way too quick to be an effective solution. Nobody asks the hard questions like whether the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the one. It's all just assumed it's wrong and maybe that's perfectly in line with the characters but it's kinda boring. None of the crew or Ba'ku have to sacrifice anything. I always think back to the episode "Defiant" where Kira confronts Tom about stealing the Defiant and how if she had the ship during the Occupation she wouldn't fuck around. I dunno. It just feels lightweight. Give me a little grit. Make some tough choices.
I don't want to trash the man, especially since he has passed away, but I still think Michael Piller is overrated as a writer. He gets credited for turning TNG around, and of course he wrote "Best of Both Worlds," but I'm just not a big a fan of his stuff as many people seem to be. I think others, from Maurice Hurley to Moore and Braga to Ira Steven Behr did a better job with the shows and movies than he did. Now, in fairness, I know the script for Insurrection was mucked around with quite a bit to deal with the demands of the actors, particularly Stewart and Spiner, but it was still his script.
I've found my soul mate!
The biggest criticism is "It's like a big TV episode". Yeah exactly.
I remember coming out of Generations like my brain was on fire with excitement. It was my favourite show on the big screen. I remember coming out of First Contact feeling a bit "meh". And then when I came out of Insurrection I was grinning ear to ear. It felt like TNG to me.
I really don't think it's a bad movie in terms of its premise or execution.
It is sad reading Piller's half written book about the matter - sad that he didn't get the chance to complete the book, but sad to see how much interference he got from all angles. It's hard to know what it 'could have been'.
But it's fun, warm, engaging... I have always been a fan of Insurrection.
Why even move them? The planet is ginormous compared to the village. There's plenty of room.
There's a bit of a throwaway line that for the Son'a, at least, the radiation from the rings in their natural state won't sufficiently help them. If we take that at face value and feel that the welfare of the Son'a specifically should be a concern, then simply settling elsewhere on the planet wouldn't solve the problem.
That's one of the few plot points I'll give the film credit for...at least it addresses why having sick people relocate to the planet may not be good enough in some cases.
I'm one of the few that actually do think the Insurrection movie was and still is underrated. its still a Star trek/Next generation movie.
some funny moments to lighten the mood such as Picard and whoever trying to distract Data with an old sdong when data hijacks a ship or whatever
some funny moments to lighten the mood such as Picard and whoever trying to distract Data with an old sdong when data hijacks a ship or whatever
My biggest criticisms is that it is bland with a idiotic plot device driving it.
I wouldn’t care if it felt like an episode if it told a remotely compelling story.
Yeah military smashing shit up because they want resources and they'll fuck everyone up to get it? Yeah, very far idiotic
*looks to the US smashing Iran up for oil* Oh how things change...
Yeah military smashing shit up because they want resources and they'll fuck everyone up to get it? Yeah, very far idiotic
It was largely about pretty white people fighting eminent domain. With the Federation, Starfleet and Picard looking like absolute idiots for not doing their homework before committing themselves to the situation. They telegraph that the S'ona and Daugherty were evil from a mile away. There's zero nuance to any of it, it is literally worse on that point than "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield".
The movies entire drive seems to be to get Picard a booty call. I do wonder how folks would've reacted if it had been grotesque folks on the planet keeping pretty white people from getting the particles.
I do love the Gilbert and Sullivan routine.
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