One would imagine regulations apply differently when not at a starbase.
Hey, I never noticed that before....
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I just need to correct this.
In the bar, she's completely out of uniform:
https://tos.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/1x20/Court_Martial_049.JPG
https://tos.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/1x20/Court_Martial_077.JPG
On the ship, she's still wearing the dressy uniform she wore in court on the planet surface:
https://tos.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/1x20/Court_Martial_349.JPG
https://tos.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/1x20/Court_Martial_384.JPG
https://tos.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/1x20/Court_Martial_495.JPG
https://tos.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/1x20/Court_Martial_509.JPG
https://tos.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/1x20/Court_Martial_512.JPG
And while she's sitting on the bridge, you can see the extra length of the lower hem in her lap:
https://tos.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/1x20/Court_Martial_357.JPG
https://tos.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/1x20/Court_Martial_366.JPG
"...and I was awarded this medal for getting a serial killer off on a technicality!"
I was going by memory. I usually do. Memory isn't perfect.
That was my recollection too - one uniform throughout the episode.
Did we ever see that that long uniform again?
We never saw a woman's dress uniform, did we? Could that uniform be a woman's dress uniform?
Military organizations have often had dressy uniforms that are optional, or only required at a certain rank. Of course, this is to limit expense to the individual; we don't know if Starfleet officers pay for their own uniforms. When they had a formal dinner "Space Seed," only the senior officers had dress uniforms.
"Mufti" means civilian clothes.
Just as in a civilian trial, it's hard to get a court-martial jury that has exactly the same life experience as the accused. Military courts usually build in another step that the court/jury members are the same grade as the accused or higher, so there is no question of influence from rank.
It's even more curious since the members of the court were already shown walking around the club in their dress uniforms!
I think that's most likely. It's not completely satisfactory, since the male uniforms don't use the sleeve rank, but I guess it's possible that the design of the female uniform did not allow for the rank indications (such as they were) from the male jackets. In real life, BTW, the last few years have seen US armed forces eliminating or minimizing differences between male and female uniforms; for instance USN females now wear the "choker collar" dress whites with shoulder boards, and a standardized visor cap.
My take on possible rank representation on the (male) dress uniform.
That’s an excellent observation. As I understand it, the episode was edited in a different order than scripted so as to end the act with Kirk passionately demanding court-martial. Consequently, he changed tunics a couple of times, while somebody at Starbase Operations failed to note that the trial board—ready to go in full dress uniform, no less—are loitering about the O-club.
This works for Commodore Stone, but in The Menagerie, Commodore Mendez's uniform doesn't match what's seen above, rather it's just the same as Captain:My take on possible rank representation on the (male) dress uniform.
https://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x11hd/themenageriepart1hd595.jpg
(Possible in-universe reason: Mendez didn't pack a bag, so, he borrowed an extra dress uniform from Kirk and was able to change the service pins.)
Right. I assume they just reused the costume from Linstrom or Chandra.
OTOH if the uniform section can whip up a Waffen SS doctor/colonel uniform in a few minutes they ought to be able to come up with a Starfleet uniform with the correct rank!
The magical Hogan's Heroes wardrobe machine didn't get installed until Season 2...
Spock wasn't a command officer?
I don't have anything to add to everyone's fascinating responses to your comments. I just want to thank you for prompting me to watch the episode again. I hadn't seen Court Martial for 2 years or so. It's refreshing to revisit these episodes after trying to enjoy the watered-down current Trek.
Was Spock a command officer???
I assume he at least had the right to be judged by people above him in rank.
What happens when a commander goes on trial in today's Navy. Can lower ranks convict him/her? I don't know. Just assuming it would need to be someone who understood the responsibilities of his rank at not say a Doctor
He was in S1 so I doubt that status would change by S3.
The on board Court Martial itself was technically illegal. Janice/Kirk should have relieved Spock and the others of duty and thrown them in the Brig; and proceeded to the nearest Starbase to file charges and turn them over for a proper proceeding.
Maybe they'd just attended another official function/were on break from another hearing.
The problem is that the very beginning of that scene is voiced over with a captain's log entry in which Kirk states that "the officers who will comprise my court-martial board are proceeding to Starbase Eleven." So it's weird to see all three of them, immediately, laughing it up in the base bar. It's even stranger that the very stiff-looking dress uniforms are their idea of attire for such mirth.
Tailhook.
When the episode aired on NBC, and for over 20 years after that in syndication, nobody ever noticed specific individuals in the restaurant and then remembered them at the legal hearing. That wouldn't come until we started studying stills on TrekCore. On TV, they were seen as just a crowd of extras, there to dramatize social activity on the base.
The makers knew what they were doing. They slyly saved money on actors and costumes by getting double duty out of the judges and bailiff, and it worked perfectly. If you're looking for something deeper than that, you're down to scraping the emulsion off the film and crying "Fake!"
