And it’s a safe bet that if that had been onscreen Roddenberry would be roasted for it today.
Hey, I never noticed that before....
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Colt: "Ummm...I have EXCEPTIONALLY STRONG female drives...(read: 'Hey, I'm horny, okay...)"
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Welcome to the sexism of the 1960ies.
Talosian One: "Why are you giving the young female water??"
Talosian Two: "Her thoughts indicate she is...'thirsty'."
It's pretty obvious to me that when Pike said Number One is different, he simply meant he regards her in a different way from other women; not that she's actually different in some way.
Guess what?
I used to be good friends with a woman where I had no romantic interest in her and she had none in me. We were at a party once and I observed that another woman there was pretty hot. My female friend looks at me and says "What am I, chopped liver?"
I'll give you one guess as to what my response to her was. Yep, the same as Pike's response to Number One.
Robert
Yes but Number One had 'fantasies' about Pike.
Unless those fantasies involved punching him in the face for being a sexist insulting guy I'd say the premise was that there was going to be some UST if the series went ahead between Pike and Number One. Pike and Colt, Pike and some Orion Dance girl slave.
Pike never thought of Number One as a potential relationship material before this incident. The statement from Pike (maybe subconsciously) then indicates that only Colt was potential relationship/affair /woman material. because there were other women on the bridge which Pike didn't appear to see.
I'm sure you're platonic friend was only slightly miffed because she wasn't interested in you romantically. And at least you weren't denying her as being a woman.
Was watching "A Private Little War" today and I find 2 incredibly picky things.
Kirk said the people were better than Earth people. They still regarded 'woman' as prizes to be shared. Thewy didn't seem all that noble to mew.
Also Chapel holds Spock's hand. I've been in hospital many times and nobody held my hand ever except to take my pulse.
Maybe in the 60s it was different or Chapel had nothing much else to do.
Also Dr M's a but of a comedian isn't he. Not giving Chapel the head's up on the slapping business.
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Possibly Kirk's opinions on women are different than your own? Kirk made his views on women clear in a number of episodes.
I've seen doctors and nurses hold patients hands on many occasons. It can be very reassuring for people going through scary times in their lives.
Vulcans are very reserved and urban, maybe it's the afront of being struck repeatedly that helps them "awaken" and not the physical sensation itself?
Was watching the Nazi episode and noticed after McCoy says that they cannot give the Professor another stimulant Kirk tells McCoy to keep an eye on Spock, shoves him out of the room and gives Gill the stimulant even though it might kill him. I know thousands of lives were at risk but I never realised Kirk was so ruthless.
I always looked at it as McCoy following the Hippocratic oath. IE - another stimulant shot would cause harm so McCoy can't do it, hence the line: "That's as much as I dare do."
Kirk isn't bound by such an oath. Although what really cracks me up is the fact that they could have beamed Gill up to the ship McCoy could have quickly saved him in sick bay and they could have beamed him back down to retake control. But hey, that wouldn't be as dramatic, would it?
operation annihilate, kirk considered killing a million humans on a colony planet, to stop the spread of a parasite.
gill's chest was shreaded with bullets, doubt mccoy could have saved him.
...But there wasn't a single bullet hole on him. 
With those drugs pumped into him, Gill never "told" Kirk anything. At best, he mindlessly parroted Kirk's own words, allowing Kirk to believe in the scenario where a good man was brought down by a fluke mistake of his making. Without the drugs, Kirk would have been forced to face the default scenario: Gill liked playing Hitler for personal gain, and his only error was one of timing, of not escaping from the kleptocracy with the loot before the next man took over. So Kirk wasn't being ruthless - he was being merciful, both to Gill and to himself!
Timo Saloniemi
With those drugs pumped into him, Gill never "told" Kirk anything. At best, he mindlessly parroted Kirk's own words, allowing Kirk to believe in the scenario where a good man was brought down by a fluke mistake of his making. Without the drugs, Kirk would have been forced to face the default scenario: Gill liked playing Hitler for personal gain, and his only error was one of timing, of not escaping from the kleptocracy with the loot before the next man took over. So Kirk wasn't being ruthless - he was being merciful, both to Gill and to himself!
Timo Saloniemi
He's saying that the Starfleet crew could have beamed Gill up to the ship to reverse the effect of the drug that Melakon gave him, before gunning him down. I'm not sure there was time for that.
From the transcripts, no that's not what happened.
He said "McCoy could have quickly saved him," that sounds like beaming Gill up after being shot.
Hmm. Kirk (along with Spock) speculatively assigns benevolent motivations to Gill's interference on the planet. Gill responds with fragments of sentences, consisting exclusively of the praising of the Nazis and their efficiency, and of the expediency of the Nazi approach in unifying the planet, for reasons Gill never states.
After this, Kirk forces Gill to make a public statement, clearly putting words in the mouth of a man who moments ago couldn't put more than three of 'em together. Melakon shoots Gill; the dying man keeps on rambling, still quite probably with Kirk's words rather than those of his own.
There's little to suggest that Gill ever regretted anything, or had any benevolence to his motivations. Or that we'd ever have heard him express his thoughts in the episode.
Timo Saloniemi
After this, Kirk forces Gill to make a public statement, clearly putting words in the mouth of a man who moments ago couldn't put more than three of 'em together. Melakon shoots Gill; the dying man keeps on rambling, still quite probably with Kirk's words rather than those of his own.
There's little to suggest that Gill ever regretted anything, or had any benevolence to his motivations. Or that we'd ever have heard him express his thoughts in the episode.
Timo Saloniemi
No I meant before the shooting. instead of sitting there and having Spock try to mind meld with him and McCoy's second-guessing what type of narcotic they used; they could've have directly beamed enough to sick bay and probably had him conscious within 5 minutes or less.
Or then his mind was already too far gone. Whether McCoy would have deduced this with the instruments at his disposal is unknown, but he does seem to think that having a medicomp would be helpful. So why not get one, or go to one?
I gather Kirk could have thought that time was of the essence, or even that breaking radio silence would jeopardize the landing party. But he could have called for an additional party with two medics and a medicomp - plus six redshirts with or without Nazi uniforms, enough to hold the fort for the duration of the cusp moment. Or, were this modern Trek, for a fake Gill, a stand-in or a simulation, but "The Menagerie" makes it look as if imitating even a voice is non-trivial with the resources of a mere starship or starbase...
That Spock would find the Führer's speech "incoherent" is a bit odd. It doesn't appear different from the average real-world rallying speech - unless Spock means there isn't sufficient repetition of catchphrases? I wonder what sort of speeches Vulcans make...
Timo Saloniemi
I gather Kirk could have thought that time was of the essence, or even that breaking radio silence would jeopardize the landing party. But he could have called for an additional party with two medics and a medicomp - plus six redshirts with or without Nazi uniforms, enough to hold the fort for the duration of the cusp moment. Or, were this modern Trek, for a fake Gill, a stand-in or a simulation, but "The Menagerie" makes it look as if imitating even a voice is non-trivial with the resources of a mere starship or starbase...
That Spock would find the Führer's speech "incoherent" is a bit odd. It doesn't appear different from the average real-world rallying speech - unless Spock means there isn't sufficient repetition of catchphrases? I wonder what sort of speeches Vulcans make...
Timo Saloniemi
Yeah, that's an excellent point. I never thought of this before but that's a pretty big hole. I will need to watch for anything that addresses this, so now I have a reason to rewatch POF.
