Yep. The shooting script has this scene in it, too, and it was shot without alteration by the actors.
Hey, I never noticed that before....
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Yep. The shooting script has this scene in it, too, and it was shot without alteration by the actors.
Nomad looks more likely to make and dispense coffee."This unit must . . . de-caffeinate".
Maybe M-5 also dispensed coffee. After all, what else would it expect of Kirk but sitting there and sipping a latte after it deemed him to be "non-essential personnel."
"STARBUCKS IS IN ERROR. I AM NOMAD. I WILL RETURN TO LAUNCH POINT ZERO AND DISPENSE MOCHA."
One of my favorite set accidents. You don't really need the DVDs to notice it, but that's when I noticed it. During a sword fight in Day of the Dove.
1: See the big round thing sticking out of the wall in the right background?
2: Somebody knocked it off during the fight. There isn't even an attachment point on the wall, it was just leaning there!
3: Then in the next scene, they fixed it.
Note also what can only be an ash tray next to the doors!
1: See the big round thing sticking out of the wall in the right background?
2: Somebody knocked it off during the fight. There isn't even an attachment point on the wall, it was just leaning there!
3: Then in the next scene, they fixed it.
Note also what can only be an ash tray next to the doors!
Sounds like Arnold (like others involved in, or a re fans of ST) was playing revisionist history in trying to paint GR as some hardcore atheist since the beginning of ST, when the script (and others), along with his personal actions in the early 1970s (as recalled by TAS producer Lou Scheimer) paint a very different picture.
Maybe Roddenberry had yet to fully form his humanist/atheist attitudes during the production of TOS. However, it's clear that he had some questioning of god and belief since Kirk spends a lot of time dethroning false gods, computers and aliens alike!
But yeah Arnold revises history a lot based on hearsay, and speaks as if he was actually in the room or part of the actual decision-making process.
I've always considered Star Trek to be an atheist show. The solution is never supernatural, it is always human ingenuity. Gods always turn out to be aliens that need to be overthrown.
I think as it was originally conceived, it respected everyone's views. Which is why the Enterprise had a chapel.
But atheist? Never really saw TOS that way.
...and various 1701 crew members obviously had some belief in God / religion (usually Christianity). More episode examples:
Dr. McCoy in Act 1 & the final Kirk/Uhura bridge lines (about the son of God) from "Bread and Circuses," or "We find the one quite sufficient from "Who Mourns for Adonais" (as a counter to apparently false "gods" of myth). As you already pointed out, Daystrom's "Murder is contrary to the laws of man and God" stands as more evidence of the continued belief.
Further, some love to use the "Kirk was always tearing down gods" idea as behavior suggestive of rejection/disbelief, but if one considers the quoted lines above (particularly his comment/relationship to Apollo), then we could take his efforts as meaning he does not stomach frauds--behavior echoed in The Final Frontier with his questioning of the entity.
Tearing down "false idols" is very in line with Judeo-Christian beliefs.
IIRC the presentation, he was discussing the fieldjackets of "The Cage" at the time. The rubber bands as emergency rank stripes may have applied only to the fieldjackets, and my examination of photos not long after seemed convincing to me. He also mentioned that the unusual fabric was used in reverse, with the foam rubber interior on the outside, so they were easily damaged during filming and perished easily.
But yeah, I realise that many fans dismiss everything he says. I shouldn't have bothered mentioning it...
There's no need to get defensive about it, or to avoid bringing Arnold's comments into the conversation. It's just that Arnold wasn't there, and Roddenberry, his principal source, was known to exaggerate.
The field jacket comment is ringing some bells about a memo or two I've seen recommending not to use them again. I'll have to see if I can find it.
The field jacket comment is ringing some bells about a memo or two I've seen recommending not to use them again. I'll have to see if I can find it.
Someone mentioned stunt double oddities up-thread. One of the best freeze-frame moments courtesy of DVD. Uhura's tubby stunt double from Mirror, Mirror:
From what I've read, the studio never knew who the union would send out as a stunt double on a given day. They didn't get casting photos or advanced approval. I always liked to imagine Bill Theiss, who would have had a second costume prepared in advance for Nichelle's double, giving a little whimper when he saw how much extra fabric he would need to insert into it to make it cover this woman....
From what I've read, the studio never knew who the union would send out as a stunt double on a given day. They didn't get casting photos or advanced approval. I always liked to imagine Bill Theiss, who would have had a second costume prepared in advance for Nichelle's double, giving a little whimper when he saw how much extra fabric he would need to insert into it to make it cover this woman....
Indeed.
Someone mentioned stunt double oddities up-thread. One of the best freeze-frame moments courtesy of DVD. Uhura's tubby stunt double from Mirror, Mirror:
From what I've read, the studio never knew who the union would send out as a stunt double on a given day. They didn't get casting photos or advanced approval. I always liked to imagine Bill Theiss, who would have had a second costume prepared in advance for Nichelle's double, giving a little whimper when he saw how much extra fabric he would need to insert into it to make it cover this woman....
The stunt double sure looks white. I'd never noticed that before.
...and she has fat rolls around the waist.
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