Discussion in 'Star Trek - The Original & Animated Series' started by Warped9, Aug 1, 2015.
*Sigh* I guess there's no such thing as suspension of disbelief anymore.
Sure there is. I have no problem getting into those same stories in Hi-Def that I watched on a 13" Black and White many, many moons ago.
Watch Shore Leave - the moment Kirk dives off the rock to tackle Finnegan. I honestly can't tell if it's Shat or a double, but whoever it is, his toupee flips up for a second.
Meaning what? I absolutely believe it's Captain Kirk fighting Khan in the engine room. It's not my fault I could tell it wasn't Shatner doing the kick.
For us older guys it's not a big deal, but for younger viewers accustomed HD resolution screens I wonder.
Yeah, but a lot of 60's Trek could be casually dismissed by younger viewers as outdated and "camp." Even without the stunt guys being a trifle obvious. I've already seen it. People who don't look at it in context of the times generally find a lot to laugh at.
Dr Helen Noel: still hot on Blu Ray.
That's annoying for me, calling Star Trek camp in any way, even the comedy episodes, is just wrong.
And the stunt doubles never bothered me. I don't know why they would bother anyone else.
Actually, I have an idea about that, it would bother someone eager to find fault with something. I find fault with that attitude.
Oh Star Trek, you should have done what Sam Raimi would do nearly 20 years later with The Evil Dead - Make your actors do their own stunts, nearly kill them in 5 different ways, and then poke the open wounds with sticks to achieve realistic screams of anguish.
Realistic stunt person problem? Solved!
As for 'camp' - the comedy episodes were never purposefully over stylised for comedic purposes? The show wasn't 'campy', but it did use 'camp'. For eg. Lester-Kirk filing her nails in the most extravagant way possible, and everyone else's reactions.
Nothing wrong with some camp. It's 'cheese' that you don't want.
That wasn't meant to be camp. I'm pretty sure that was William Shatner doing what he honestly thought was a serious dramatic portrayal. Granted, that's the opinion of an individual.
That's not the example that comes to mind. What comes to mind is "A Piece Of The Action" and "I, Mudd."
Oh...well then in that case, it's cheese. Really sexist cheese.
Okay then, camp is every time a Klingon goes near a Tribble. And the entire Robin Hood episode of TNG. I was going to mention Mudd, but funnily enough I thought that's the example that would get the most arguments. Oh well.
All this talk of camp is making me want to open up my Batman blurays.
"Mudd's Women" wasn't camp, but "I, Mudd" on the other hand...
And reportedly Gene Roddenberry wasn't happy with "I, Mudd" and "A Piece Of The Action" when he got back from his temporary absence that left Gene Coon in charge. I believe he wasn't crazy about "The Trouble With Tribbles" either.
GR: "Star Trek is not a comedy."
And supposedly Justman, Fontana and Nimoy agreed with him.
Something I don't recall ever noticing before in WNMHGB until rewatching the episode yeasterday. Near the end of the briefing room scene with Spock Standing in the background there's something over his head by the ceiling that lifts away out of the frame when Spock moves closer to the foreground. I think it's a microphone on a boom.
I share that opinion, but Hela isn't the only one I've heard call that out, either.
I'm sorry if I'm thick, and I am, but while I understand "camp" somewhat, cheese kind of confuses me. I've heard is as a pejorative and a positive, also ham and hammy. Besides confusing me, it makes me want a sandwich. I don't think William Shatner was Hammy, Cheesey, or Campy. I do think he did a lot of ACTING! but he really put a great deal of Umph into his portrayal and I enjoy it no end. He was playing a larger than life character and he played it great, I've never felt he was too much of anything. I understand tastes vary and am not saying anyone else needs to share my opinion, but I don't understand anyone saying he didn't do a good job.
That's why I've always been proud of my college hometown's local pizza/brewery joint:
I thought it was Fred Freiberger who said that.
He might have repeated it, but I believe Roddenberry said it first.
I'm familiar with that quote from David Gerrold's account, and he has Freiberger saying it. It's got to be in The World of Star Trek (1973). Gerrold was bitter because Freiberger didn't love "Tribbles."
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