Hey, I never noticed that before....

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  1. Swedish Borg

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    You know the question about footage is a recurrent one throughout the series (all of them). When Kirk blows up the enterprise and then in the next movie they have an external view of the Enterprise exploding, you'd have to ask yourself: "where did they get that from?"
     
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  2. The Old Mixer

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    That one's easy: the Bird of Prey.
     
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  3. Timo

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    This is another of those things where futurism no longer appears particularly stunning. If there's a recording device on the scene, it's very 20th century to think that the recordings should be from the physical viewpoint of that device. Or that the device ought to have a lens.

    OTOH, seeing visuals shouldn't convince anybody today that what is seen is a "recording". As long as the Klingons generate their pretty graphics in such a fashion that nobody can credibly yell "It didn't happen that way!" at specific points therein, there's no real point arguing authenticity.

    Indeed, perhaps this is why nobody trusts CCTV as a means of solving a whodunnit in Star Trek. Except for Starfleet courts martial, that is, and we can easily accept that this would be one of the last institutions to yield to a changing world...

    Timo Saloniemi
     
  4. publiusr

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    I missed that one.
     
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  5. Maurice

    Maurice Fact Trekker Premium Member

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    Except where did the Klingons get the visuals from inside the Enterprise, showing them entering the bridge? :D
     
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    As Timo seems to suggest, from something like integrated WarriorCams scanning each wearer and their surroundings, resulting in data which was used to construct a lifelike 3D simulation edited into dramatic 2D footage using virtual cameras in 3D space. I would add that if the Federation Council had any doubts about the final presentation, they could always ask for raw data to help verify its authenticity.
     
  7. FormerLurker

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    Makes sense. We do see in TUC that the Klingons use holographic communications on a regular basis, as with Azetbur speaking with the Federation president. Such 3D communications can also be used to give the Klingons an early version of a holodeck, which ENT tells us they already have.
     
  8. Swedish Borg

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    I don't know. Sometimes they know a great deal in ENT that later they've completely forgotten about. The most glaring example is the Pon Farr people discuss it casually (and you'd think that with so many Vulcans on Earth they'd keep records about it) yet eighty years later on the Enterprise they've forgotten everything about it including that it exists!!!
     
  9. Noname Given

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    From the boarding party they sent over which was broadcasting back to the bird of prey which was recording the whole incident.
     
  10. Maurice

    Maurice Fact Trekker Premium Member

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    No. Because you see them from inside the bridge as they enter it. Did Torg send on Klingon running ahead with a camera and a satellite link?

    And who's photographing the V'ger cloud after Epsilon Nine gets toasted? :)
     
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    The Klingons got to the E's black boxes first?
     
  12. UssGlenn

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    The Enterprise would have automatically ejected its log buoy upon destruction, which would have been recording up to the last second.
     
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    That one's easy enough to imagine and fill in the gaps.

    We know there are Federation sensor drones spying on the Klingons, because that's how Epsilon IX finds out about the Klingon attack. It's more or less implied that the "exterior visual" of V'ger destroying the Klingon ships comes from such a drone. Perhaps a similar nearby sensor drone monitors the destruction of Epsilon IX, and the rec room feed automatically switches over to what's coming from it when Kirk orders "external view."
     
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  14. Swedish Borg

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    How about the external shot of the Enterprise as it explodes. Who recorded that and then made a montage with the other recordings?
     
  15. Noname Given

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    Already stated above. That was part of the Klingon ambassadors evidence presentation so obviously the destruction of the Enterprise was recorded by the bird of prey in orbit. How would the Klingons get access to that data after Kirk and Co. took it over? Hey it's the Federation. They hang their officers out to dry for political purposes all the time. ;)
     
  16. Swedish Borg

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    Kirk commandeered the bird of prey. It doesn't seem likely that he would have sent footage of the Ent exploding from that ship.
     
  17. Maurice

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    No matter how you slice it, it's still baloney.
     
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    Here's the Rube Goldberg explanation that I came up with when I first saw Star Trek IV in the movie theater.
    The Klingon ToP picked up not only the Enterprise blowing up but also was picking up its internal sensors before hand and was relaying it to some other Klingon asset in real time up until Kirk or whoever shut it off.

    I know, still baloney.

    Robert
     
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  19. CorporalCaptain

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    My parents teased me about how Flint's invisible, mobile spy camera was able to do Dramatic Closeups™ of Kirk and Rayna automagically.
     
  20. Swedish Borg

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    It's funny but no matter how many times I watch the series I can't remember the first time we see Spock use the neck pinch thing... Was it in "The enemy within"? I am not sure.
     
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