Hey, I never noticed that before....

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  1. CorporalCaptain

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    I suppose, if Flint's M-4 is sensitive to the behavior of his guests, then it wouldn't be unreasonable for his surveillance system to be likewise.

    The problem here and with the other examples is that the footage used for the viewers doesn't seem to have been shot as surveillance camera footage; it seems that it was all shot as regular movie/episode footage and then used for surveillance camera footage. See a show such as Person of Interest for an example where footage used as surveillance footage is shot as surveillance camera footage. In that case, there are considerations made for the surveillance camera POV.

    These subspace scan/LIDAR/etc. explanations are vaguely interesting, but in the end they're handwaves made after the fact to paper over a production issue.
     
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  3. Boris Skrbic

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    No, because SNW will presumably continue to update the 1960s vision of continuity with present-day knowledge in mind, which is where such explanations will come in handy. It hardly seems like “papering over” when apps can generate videos based on raw photos and/or footage, and we know of course what CGI and VFX in general are capable of even today.
     
  4. CorporalCaptain

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    Except I've never noticed him actually using moving his thumb on any kind of cursor control, whether physically present or field based, for that purpose. Or it's one heck of a psychically operated control.

    Said another way: Flint controlling a joystick with his thumb there during those scenes would qualify as a "Hey, I've never noticed that before...."
     
  5. Timo

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    OTOH, Flint operates the entire planet as his mancave. It rather stands to reason that he could adjust the minutest of parameters with the smallest effort, in those cases where he hasn't created a macro for it already.

    It's the lesser players, such as Starfleet, who make us really go "Huh?" when exhibiting the ability to control or monitor in detail. Although in the latter respect we really are rather screwed: both this "obviously highly advanced" onscreen reality and real offscreen techological advances would seem to dictate that automated CCTV be capable of solving all whodunnits, yet the heroes never solve anything with that. Is their CCTV too primitive after all? Or is it simply too advanced for its own good, dismissed because any villain worth the title can bend it around his little finger and make it show six impossible things before opening credits?

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  6. dupersuper

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    Though it also has holodecks, so becoming a peeping tom seems redundant.
     
  7. Swedish Borg

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    There are always people willing to pay a fortune to have the genuine article instead of a near-perfect copy. Look at the people who'll buy some ordinary object that has been owned by a celebrity when in truth that object is indistinguishable from one they could have for much cheaper at a store.
     
  8. Timo

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    And of course Trek puts a spin on that, too, it being possible to have fifty-nine perfectly genuine Mona Lisas if one insists, all with Leonardo's fingerprints complete with his sweat residue, all with the same provenance right up till the moment when there emerged fifty-eight additional originals.

    But DS9 "Meridian" is a fine example of how even holograms could come in degrees, those created through peeping being more desirable than those synthesized out of neutral data even when the end results are identical. And we have our collectors like Kivas Fajo, apparently hoarding stuff more for the story than for the innate value: his possessions are valued for their uniqueness, and that uniqueness seems to stem from it being unlikely that they ever would be mass-produced, rather than from it being impossible. Anybody could replicate a Varon-T or a Data, but only criminals would, and only for the perverse pleasure of having those, since they carry no practical value; the perverse pleasure then carries the lemma that it's even better to illegally obtain the real deal.

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  9. Scott Kellogg

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    Goofy note on "The Most Toys":
    The Collector who only collected original objects had an obvious copy of Salvador Dali's painting "The Persistence of Memory." In the episode, it was a large poster sized painting like they sell at college bookstores,
    while the original is a tiny little thing 9.5" X13"
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Persistence_of_Memory

    Now, do you suppose the character got rooked by a crooked art dealer, who told him it was the original, or do you figure the people doing the set dressing didn't know or care?

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  10. Timo

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    Yes, absolutely.

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  11. Swedish Borg

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    What I'd like to know is how a card can still smell of bubble gum after three hundred years!!!! They can do things in the future that just blow your mind!!!!
     
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    Clearly Kivas Fajo isn't as astute a collector as he likes to think he is!

    "Yeah, sure that's the original scent on that card! Why? Oh, I had it preserved but don't ask me how. Now, wanna buy?"
     
  13. Swedish Borg

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    Plus he stole a genuine hand puppet from the Muppet Show!!!! :D
     
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  14. MAGolding

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    Possibly the audience doesn't see the actual images which Flint got to see on the screen, but merrely repeats of the live action footage filmed for the episode. There is no proof that everything will look the same in the "real" future as in the 20th century dramatic productions of it. Possibly the 20th century producers saved money by reusing images from one situation in another situation where it didn't belong.
     
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    Sure, it's illuminating to see how TOS is like theater, but that doesn't make its elements beyond criticism.
     
  16. Swedish Borg

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    Well, in modern minimalist theatre, you're lucky if you get a cardboard tree, a table, and a chair...
     
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    Regarding the viewscreen display weirdness, almost any TV show or movie which used perfect quality viewscreens had "magic tech" showing impossible angles and zooms. The Man from UNCLE, the Irwin Allen shows, James Bond movies, Space:1999 and countless others utilized this creative license. Dream sequences and flashbacks which would show the person having the visions actually seen full on instead of their point of view were simply concessions to the audience to make the point clearer. I get that it's fun to try to come up with "in universe" explanations for certain things. However, trying to rationalize why Spock would dramatically "zoom out" on Kirk and Mendez in the transporter room when the shot was probably not intended to be shown over Spock's viewscreen is like wondering where the background music is coming from and why the characters can't hear it. It's just a cinematic tool used to enhance the drama (although I do chuckle that Spock might dramatically pull the picture back so he could see Mendez's reaction). Or why people don't "hear" Jeannie "blink" in and out behind them, or how nobody hears Steve Austin's bionics. The sounds are a cue for us. The impossible images on the screens are just conventions of the medium, sometimes shortcuts, other times cheats to make a point.
     
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    best smell there is
     
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  19. Swedish Borg

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    What's funny is that in "The Voyage Home" Gillian makes that very remark (IE how can they see things that are not in a direct line of sight) and for course it's never answered. It's like the writers are telling us: "We know that it's impossible."

    Well, I am glad to hear it.... I guess.:rolleyes:
     
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    It can't all be realistic.