Heroes 3x16 "Building 26" Discuss and Grade

[blockaderunner]

Anybody else get the feeling that "Rebel" is going to be yet another big, dumb, reveal? Or a dumb stunt casting idea? "Hey let's get Mark Hamill as "Rebel" cause he was, like, a rebel in that Star Wars thing. Plus, the fans got a kick out of seeing Uhura apear and add absolutely nothing to the Heroes 'verse,". Sounds like ratings gold to me.

 

[Hermiod]

^Nah, it'll turn out to be Bennet.

 

[Thespeckledkiwi]

Why does Heroes feel like a 5 dollar hooker? You know it's going to be bad but you want it to turn out better. It feels good at first but then at the end you wish you had your money back.

 

[Professor Zoom]

With Tracy, I figured she didn't realize that the thing was a set-up until after she was re-imprisoned and had time to think it over.

Hiro and Ando getting to India, I think "Rebel" had something to do with that. He may be observing them and helping them do stuff.

I'm willing to wait it out and see if they explain anything in later episodes instead of expecting every detail to be explain in one episode.

While I don't need everything handed to me, I do think explaining how two people, who are wanted by a government agency, with access to all sorts of surveillance, can easily get out of the country. It's all I could think about during the craptastic trip to India. It makes the agency look dumb, which makes them less of a threat...and the show dumb.

And, on a personal note, I HATE how they "create" India. It is...not even close. And as my Indian wife says, "they don't do wedding cakes like that."

 

[Anwar]

I think we should just wait until the next few episodes before passing judgment on how easily they got to India. How do we know it wasn't "Rebel" making it easy for them?

 

[Hermiod]

It may be more difficult for him to access it, but Hiro has significant resources of his own.

 

[Jax]

This was Heroes at its most average with cringeworthy dialogue and a plot thin as you can get especially with the I can swim without breathing boy...oh wow. The whole India thing was well lame and pointless and I still cannot stand Claire, she is punching so over her weight. Also while Hiro is still a master swordsman, he needs teleporting back but maybe with a catch likr no time travel of course and a recharge time after use.

Sylar luckily is still cool

 

[Alidar Jarok]

Why can't swim without breathing boy just hide in the ocean? Seems like the best way to avoid capture.

 

[BenRoethig]

My question if how did Hiro & Ando get to India?

If Nathan's gang are tapped into every camera in America, including a diner in the middle of nowhere, but miss a "Hiro Hakamura" buying airline tickets to leave the country, with no ID, Passport or luggage?

What's worse is that they even have a plausible explanation with Hiro's bank account that they forgot about.

 

[Professor Zoom]

I think we should just wait until the next few episodes before passing judgment on how easily they got to India.

No. I won't. I'm judging now. It's such a huge plot hole and "waiting a few episodes" seems like an excuse for them to fix some sloppy writing. To come up with an excuse now would just be filling in the hole, not revealing a mystery.

Hell--they could have had one line, ONE LINE that at least ACKNOWLEDGED that it was strange that they made it to India so easily.

The whole tip to India felt pointless. There was no foreshadowing that these events are important to future events. The India trip was all about making Hiro feel good about himself. And Ando being an asshole.

 

[TheArsenal]

On the last couple of episodes I used words like "turning around" and "encouraging". But this episode was Below Average.

Claire and Noah is as tired a back and forth as there is on television. Claire scowls, rebels and Daddy says "I'm doing it for you." Someone cries. Repeat every episode. Even the writers had to acknowledge how tired it was by having Claire directly say so.

Ando and Hiro chase their tails around the world to ... show Hiro is a Hero without his powers and put Ando in his place ... or something? If no elements of this wedding story show up later, this will be nothing more than pointless filler. And pointless filler means the show is completely creatively bankrupt. So lets hope that's not the case.

In a tired paint by numbers subplot, an angry and skeptical bureaucrat storms in, talks about closing things down, witnesses the unbelievable, and is made a believer. More filler.

Sylar's road trip is mildly interesting, and somewhat amusing. It saved this show from a Poor rating.

Plus, how unbelievably easy was it to convince the bride to call of the wedding? Ando: "Why are you crying?" Bride: "My daddy wants me to marry a man who is pure evil." Ando: "So then don't marry him." Bride: "Don't marry him? Why, you're absolutely right! I'll call off the wedding! Why don't I treat you to dinner at my restaurant?"

An Indian wedding. In India. Which before the final ceremony has, likely, been going on for a week with hundreds of guests, scores of events and thousands already spent. This makes the moment 10 times as absurd.

 

[ALF]

Anyone remember when this show used to be good?

It used to be soooooo good. Vol. 1 is just some of the best TV.

And near the end of Vol. 3 it was good again. I loved the stuff leading up the eclipse.

But these first few of Vol 4. are faceplams, all of 'em. I hope the new (original) writers can write their way into some excitement.

Why can't swim without breathing boy just hide in the ocean? Seems like the best way to avoid capture.

Shhh! Don't let the writers hear you.
Isn't the first rule of writing for TV or film to SHOW the audience, not TELL them? That is why it's a visual medium.

Here's my take on it: next week The Cheerleader and the Comic Book Guy escape Daddy Hornrims with a dip underwater.... where Comic Book Guy keeps Claire alive breathing into her mouth. You just see if that obvious sexual tensioning doesn't happen.

Why does Heroes feel like a 5 dollar hooker? You know it's going to be bad but you want it to turn out better. It feels good at first but then at the end you wish you had your money back.

14k gold~!

 

[Aragorn]

I don't think Heroes was ever great. While season one was an extremely fun ride, you knew exactly where everything was going and probably could've written it the same yourself.

 

[Thespeckledkiwi]

The concept was always fantastic but the execution of the concept was poor.

 

[Psylent1]

I think we should just wait until the next few episodes before passing judgment on how easily they got to India. How do we know it wasn't "Rebel" making it easy for them?

Because there is no way it could be "easy".

They were in Arkansas wearing orange jumpsuits; No ID, No money, No Credit cards. Their bank accounts have been frozen, and they are probably listed as wanted federal criminals.

The bad guys phones & vehicles all have GPS, so taking any of them will just get you caught faster. They have lots more men, resources and their satelites are looking down on you while Parkman uses his crayons.

Ok Ando may have had his cell phone, his Japanese cell phone. Would it even work in the backwoods of Arkansas? He had no time to grab anything else before Speedy took him there.

Yes Parkman could "push" people to get money and things, but that goes against his personality and would have been far more interesting to see than another episode of Claire's daddy issues.

This entire episode feels like either a filler show or network interference.
We need a recap! [Tracy shows Homeland security the ice]
We need action! [Sylar in a diner with pie]
We need lesbians, .....in India! []

 

[DontFeedPhil]

Average...
when do the New writers take over?

 

[LutherSloan]

I had to say Below Average. I was literally IN PAIN during the pointless Indian subplot (you KNOW that's the last we'll see of that, ever). This show was moving forward relatively well the last few episodes, but now it just moved into a holding pattern. Nothing in the plot really moved forward at all, it just created the illusion that it did. The fact that the DHS woman went from feeling bad for Tracy and threatening to shut the thing down, to 5 minutes later letting Nathan have all the funding that he wanted was absurd.

Let's also count the plotholes from just this episode:

1. Hiro and Ando, despite Hiro being a wanted fugitive, get to India with zero problems. Even if they took his father's company's plane, the US government would be prepared for that. In one scene they mention that the bank accounts of all suspects have been frozen as well. That makes it pretty unlikely that they bought a ticket (not to mention the obvious fact that DHS is supposed to be looking for them, meaning that at least Hiro is on the No Fly List). Maybe they will retroactively explain this later by saying that the mysterious person known as 'Rebel' helped to get them to India. However, I feel that the odds of this being mentioned on the show are less than 1%.
2. Alex (Comic book kid) never questions how Claire knows the phone number of the man chasing him, even though he sees her calling his cell as a distraction. So far he's the only person not to question this on the show.
3. Tracy's situation. If she KNEW that she was deliberately left so that she could easily escape her prison, then why do it? She had to know she wouldn't get out of there successfully.
4. Mysterious 'list of the powered'. We still have no idea how the government got a hold of a list of everyone with powers. Only 'The Company' is likely to have had such a list, but no mention is made that Nathan got the list from 'The Company'. At least that would make sense, since his mom was very involved with that organization. Unfortunately, it was made clear last week that Nathan's mother was NOT going to help....
5. HRG losing his touch? Somehow, despite being a very skilled operative, HRG managed to be tracked and captured by three people with no experience whatsoever in doing either one. I guess I can understand getting drugged, since I don't think he would have trained to avoid that. But doesn't he have any experience in shaking a tail? I'm sure Peter, Matt, and Suresh would have been easy to notice.

 

[Aragorn]

Don't forget they also knew exactly where to go in India.

 

[Oso Blanco]

I think that the Rebel is actually President Worf.

 

[Hermiod]

Don't forget they also knew exactly where to go in India.

That's because Mohinder, who is Indian, recognised a building in the drawing.