Spoilers Captain America: Brave New World grade and discussion thread

[Noname Given]

With the smear campaign against the film, it's done well

What campaign? It's the same youtubers who always call any new MCU film/D+ outing "a failure".

Every popular IP has to deal with that.

And yeah, while I enjoyed the film,it had its problems, but you always have people who shout: "I could do better..." with no r eal clue how a large budget production works.

If you expect perfection or expect a 180 million budget to compare to a $400 million budget (Avengers: Endgame); yeah your gonna be majorly disappointed.

If someone ever comes up with a reproduable formula to make a great blockbuster for cheap that pulls 1 billion at the box office eveyrtime; every studio would jump on it.

And anyone who just quicklyopines "Easy, make a good film..."
^^^
Just shows you've never produced anything for wide public consumption because ending up with a end result that almost everyone loves is rare and sometimes the script itself has little to do with it.

 

[Anwar]

What is this smear campaign you keep going on about? How widespread would this thing be to affect a Marvel sized audience?

All the Grifters going after it (in ways they'd never have done for Pre-Endgame movies), the talk of how it's an Un-American movie, disgraceful to William Hurt, insulting to the idea of Captain America itself, etc

 

[Anwar]

Indifference is not a campaign.

It wasn't indifference, it was genuine offendedness.

 

[Tuskin38]

I haven't encountered anything online that looks like smear campaign.

 

[Turtletrekker]

You know Anwar, it's great that you love the MCU. I love the MCU as well. It's great to love things. However, it's okay to acknowledge the fact that it's an imperfect tapestry and that some parts of the overall picture just didn't work the way that studio had hoped. It happens.

 

[Anwar]

I haven't encountered anything online that looks like smear campaign.

Anytime I ran into anyone or any pages using "Captain DEI" or "Captain Africa", that's part of the smear campaign

 

[JoeZhang]

Many of us are not Americans and so the fact that it's a dud cannot simply be due to that sort of thing in international markets.

 

[Oso Blanco]

I liked him better als the Falcon, felt he couldn't really hold a candle to Steve Rogers. I don't know if it's the performance or the writing or the lack of super soldier serum, but it just didn't feel right. Maybe they will get it right in the next movie, making him more hero than soldier.

 

[Anwar]

Many of us are not Americans and so the fact that it's a dud cannot simply be due to that sort of thing in international markets.

Actually, the "DEI" and "Captain Africa" thing was used by lots of non-Americans too, sadly.

 

[Hound of UIster]

That's absolutely due to the cultural war brainrot about DEI/political correctness that American right wing grifters has exported globally through social media like FB/Twitter/YT.

 

[eschaton]

While I've seen the chuds cheering this movie's stumbles with the critics and the box office, I've not really seen anyone attack it for having "woke shit" or anything.

Indeed, one of the big critiques I've seen of the movie within the mainstream is it's a political thriller with no political statements. With no politics.

 

[fireproof78]

So...just a thriller?

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[JoeZhang]

Actually, the "DEI" and "Captain Africa" thing was used by lots of non-Americans too, sadly.

DEI isn't even a trrm here so you can spot people who use it a mile off... (it's EDI).

 

[theenglish]

All this means is that the trucks of money to Chris Evans house are getting bigger and bigger.

Nobody is going to show up for Chris Evans in a movie this bad either. That is not the message Disney should take away on this. Feige is the guy who needs to be replaced, not Mackie.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Nobody is going to show up for Chris Evans in a movie this bad either. That is not the message Disney should take away on this. Feige is the guy who needs to be replaced, not Mackie.

Our latest contestant in the Fired Follies: Mister Kevin Feige!

 

[Turtletrekker]

Our latest contestant in the Fired Follies: Mister Kevin Feige!

It was inevitable. Just like Thanos.

 

[Anwar]

While I've seen the chuds cheering this movie's stumbles with the critics and the box office, I've not really seen anyone attack it for having "woke shit" or anything.

Indeed, one of the big critiques I've seen of the movie within the mainstream is it's a political thriller with no political statements. With no politics.

Anytime they do make political statements, they get criticized for that.

No, Winter Soldier had no valid political statements. That movie wimped out by making Nazis the bad guys

 

[theenglish]

Anytime they do make political statements, they get criticized for that.

No, Winter Soldier had no valid political statements. That movie wimped out by making Nazis the bad guys

The movie didn't have to make a "real world" political statement to be good. In terms of a black Captain America, it didn't need to say a lot about that.

Spoiler: What it does say...

The line "I'm not Steve Rogers" was actually a big statement after Ross calling Sam son--but it was removed. Sam's speech about having to the be the best and not make any mistakes was an important scene that was undermined by Bucky and Sam making a joke about being "dramatic". Those were the two most important political scenes in the movie and all it really needed and they still fucked it up.

In terms of some kind of commentary about the President or current political climate, it doesn't really make any sense to do that because it would just date the movie. The movie could have made more of a statement about the governments fighting for the rare mineral on Celestial Island, but that should have been Vibranium, not Adamantium, because we've already established in Wakanda Forever that that is a political issue in the Marvel world right now.

This is why I have an issue with Feige. It is his job to make sure all these pieces fit together and he's totally messed that up, first with Secret Invasion and now this.

 

[Grendelsbayne]

In terms of some kind of commentary about the President or current political climate, it doesn't really make any sense to do that because it would just date the movie. The movie could have made more of a statement about the governments fighting for the rare mineral on Celestial Island, but that should have been Vibranium, not Adamantium, because we've already established in Wakanda Forever that that is a political issue in the Marvel world right now.

This is why I have an issue with Feige. It is his job to make sure all these pieces fit together and he's totally messed that up, first with Secret Invasion and now this.

Of all the possible reasons to be upset with it, this is quite possibly the weirdest.

Replacing Adamantium with Vibranium would not change a single thing about the film. And the film as is is already a continuation of the political throughline from WF, because half of what makes Adamantium so valuable and such a dangerous powderkeg is that *everyone knows where it is* and it can't be kept hidden by Wakanda and Atlantis.

 

[Set Harth]

DEI isn't even a trrm here so you can spot people who use it a mile off... (it's EDI).

actually it's DIE