Hawaii Five-0: 1x02 "Ohana" - Discussion and Spoilers

[gh4chiefs]

Honestly, get over it.

Well forgive me for making an observation on a discussion forum. I thought we were allowed to do that here.

Complaining about the new show gets old quick,

Complaining? Where's the complaint? I think you better go back and reread what I posted. It was simply an observation. I think you're wanting to project on me some other battle that you've had with some other poster.

I made the observation, I stand by it and I won't be silenced from discussing a topic on a discussion board. That's what we do here. I don't know if you're so insecure that you can't let somebody offer an observation that differs from you or what, but good God people can we not have discussions here without getting all pissy about it? Good grief.

I would suggest if you're having such a problem with my posts, PLEASE PUT ME ON IGNORE. It will make your BBS experience better. Because I'm not going away.

 

[gh4chiefs]

And yet ironically it bears no resemblance to the actual show it's supposed to actually be based on.

Hmmmmmm

Set and filmed in Hawaii. Check

About a special unit that reports to the Governer. Check

McGarrett, Dano, Chin Ho, Kono. Check

Investigates cases that includes international espionage elements. Check.

Not saying there aren't differences ( mostly in tone and pace) but "no resemblance" is a big stretch.

I don't think it's that big of a stretch, but I acknowledge those resemblances. So you got me on a technicality. I think they're superficial in nature though really and I still stand by my comment.

I was just struck by the comments in this thread and another thread about how much the new show reminds some posters of NCIS, and I just found it kind of ironic. I'm sorry that observation seems to offend some of you, but it was just a thought I had in reading this thread.

 

[Roger Wilco]

Emphasis mine.

Then you missed the long scene after where Dano lectured McGarrett about torture.

Not that that is going to stop it from happening again, but, at least a character stood up and said, that's wrong.

Alright, that's good. Sorry if I misjudged the show then.

 

[Professor Zoom]

And yet ironically it bears no resemblance to the actual show it's supposed to actually be based on.

Hmmmmmm

Set and filmed in Hawaii. Check

About a special unit that reports to the Governer. Check

McGarrett, Dano, Chin Ho, Kono. Check

Investigates cases that includes international espionage elements. Check.

Not saying there aren't differences ( mostly in tone and pace) but "no resemblance" is a big stretch.

I don't think it's that big of a stretch, but I acknowledge those resemblances. So you got me on a technicality. I think they're superficial in nature though really and I still stand by my comment.

I was just struck by the comments in this thread and another thread about how much the new show reminds some posters of NCIS, and I just found it kind of ironic. I'm sorry that observation seems to offend some of you, but it was just a thought I had in reading this thread.

Does it remind YOU of NCIS?
I am assuming you've watched the new Hawaii 5-0.
What are the differences that turn you off?

And I don't think anyone is offended, but annoyed by someone coming in saying something snarky but not supporting it. Explain your point of view.

No one is going to "silence" you on a BBS. It's bit hyperbolic, don't you think?

 

[gh4chiefs]

Hmmmmmm

Set and filmed in Hawaii. Check

About a special unit that reports to the Governer. Check

McGarrett, Dano, Chin Ho, Kono. Check

Investigates cases that includes international espionage elements. Check.

Not saying there aren't differences ( mostly in tone and pace) but "no resemblance" is a big stretch.

I don't think it's that big of a stretch, but I acknowledge those resemblances. So you got me on a technicality. I think they're superficial in nature though really and I still stand by my comment.

I was just struck by the comments in this thread and another thread about how much the new show reminds some posters of NCIS, and I just found it kind of ironic. I'm sorry that observation seems to offend some of you, but it was just a thought I had in reading this thread.

Does it remind YOU of NCIS?
I am assuming you've watched the new Hawaii 5-0.
What are the differences that turn you off?

And I don't think anyone is offended, but annoyed by someone coming in saying something snarky but not supporting it. Explain your point of view.

No one is going to "silence" you on a BBS. It's bit hyperbolic, don't you think?

Snarky? I think you too are projecting something that's not there.

But to answer your question, I don't watch NCIS, so I have nothing to compare it to in that regard. But some in this thread, and in another thread made that observation.

And what's there to support? It's just an observation, just a thought that was based on the discussion this thread had generated.

Seriously people, I don't have any power. I just offer thoughts and opinions about whatever topic we're discussing. The world isn't going to come to end if I offer an opinion/thought that differs from yours. This new show isn't going away simply because i don't think it's much like the original. When I say I think the new show isn't much like the original, you know what that means? It means I think the new show isn't much like the original. That's all.

 

[Sheep]

Well forgive me for making an observation on a discussion forum. I thought we were allowed to do that here.

Complaining about the new show gets old quick,

Complaining? Where's the complaint? I think you better go back and reread what I posted. It was simply an observation.

I apologize if I worded that a little too strongly.

It's obvious you dislike the new show because it strays significantly from the original, and that's a perfectly reasonable viewpoint to have. However, given that none of us here work on the new show or have any influence on what the writers do, constantly bringing up the fact that this show is different than the old show isn't productive or discussion-worthy at all. The level of violence in the show? Why James Marsters was criminally underused in the pilot? How the main characters interact? Grace Park's backside? There can be discussions and debates about stuff like that. But I don't see how beating into the ground the fact that a show produced in 2010 is different from one produced 40 years ago leads to any discussion whatsoever. The answer is that, yup, it's different alright. To expect it to mirror something nearly half a decade old is not a reasonable expectation to have.

Given your dislike of the show, perhaps you should find another way to spend an hour instead of lamenting the fact that this isn't the 1960/70's Hawaii Five-O, which will always be there for your viewing pleasure on DVD and Hulu if I'm not mistaken.

 

[gh4chiefs]

Beating into the ground?

And where did I say I disliked the new show? I'm actually still on the fence about this particular incarnation. I'm actually trying to like it if you want to know the truth. Yes I openly dislike the fact that they have strayed so far from the original, and I feel a little bit like they're just trying coast on the success of the original without earning it themselves with THIS show. That may come in time.

As for my comment, I actually thought it was amusing that they were (intentionally or not) emulating other TV shows, but not the actual show this is based on. I just think that's funny/ironic. That's all that comment means, nothing more, nothing less.

 

[Nerys Myk]

And yet ironically it bears no resemblance to the actual show it's supposed to actually be based on.

Hmmmmmm

Set and filmed in Hawaii. Check

About a special unit that reports to the Governer. Check

McGarrett, Dano, Chin Ho, Kono. Check

Investigates cases that includes international espionage elements. Check.

Not saying there aren't differences ( mostly in tone and pace) but "no resemblance" is a big stretch.

I don't think it's that big of a stretch, but I acknowledge those resemblances. So you got me on a technicality. I think they're superficial in nature though really and I still stand by my comment.
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Thats pretty much both shows in a nutshell. The differences are in tone and execution. The show has a action movie tone that was pretty much absent from cop shows in the late 60s & early 70s. Major car chases and shoot outs didn't happen all that much. Possibly because of the "morals", schedules and budgets of the time. Character interaction was different back then too.

 

[Professor Zoom]

Snarky? I think you too are projecting something that's not there.

But to answer your question, I don't watch NCIS, so I have nothing to compare it to in that regard. But some in this thread, and in another thread made that observation.

And what's there to support? It's just an observation, just a thought that was based on the discussion this thread had generated.

What's to support? How you arrived at your observation? Why you think the way you do? Just to say: I like this thing (or not) isn't really discussion. Discussion would be, I like this thing because the characters really engage me, for example.

Seriously people, I don't have any power. I just offer thoughts and opinions about whatever topic we're discussing. The world isn't going to come to end if I offer an opinion/thought that differs from yours. This new show isn't going away simply because i don't think it's much like the original. When I say I think the new show isn't much like the original, you know what that means? It means I think the new show isn't much like the original. That's all.

I think all that people, or maybe just me, are asking is for you to EXPAND upon your observations. That's all. We all know FULL well that you, and us, have no power in this. But as you keep pointing out, this is a discussion board. So, let's discuss. And a part of discussion is explaining your point of view, and not getting offended when people say: why do you say that?

So, again, I'll ask: why do you think the show isn't much like the original? Tone? The action sequences?

 

[Star Wolf]

Thats pretty much both shows in a nutshell. The differences are in tone and execution. The show has a action movie tone that was pretty much absent from cop shows in the late 60s and early 70s. Major car chases and shoot outs didn't happen all that much. Possibly because of the morals schedules and budgets of the time. Character interaction was different back then too.

I think it started with Starsky and Hutch and SWAT. By the 80s it was Miami Vice and Hunter. On 5-O it was McGarrett fire one or two rounds from the hip with his snub nose.

 

[Forbin]

I think all that people, or maybe just me, are asking is for you to EXPAND upon your observations.

Actually, the first response was basically telling him to shut the hell up and keep his opinion to himself.

 

[Professor Zoom]

I think all that people, or maybe just me, are asking is for you to EXPAND upon your observations.

Actually, the first response was basically telling him to shut the hell up and keep his opinion to himself.

That's true. But I have a feeling there was a history to that...

 

[gh4chiefs]

So, again, I'll ask: why do you think the show isn't much like the original? Tone? The action sequences?

Well if you're truly interested, as opposed to just looking for an argument, I will be glad to expand. You politely asked, and I'll politely respond. Again this about what's DIFFERENT, not about what's good or bad.

First of all, it starts with McGarrett. Jack Lord's Steve was very much by the book, he would NEVER dangle somebody off a building or torture them as seen this week. Steve was much more of a professional police officer than in this newer version.

Then there comes the relationship between Steve and Danny, or the whole team for that matter. It's just totally different, there's definitely more respect, just a more civil way of interacting with each other in the original than in this new version. Actually I think it's this relationship difference that I find the most different, and the thing I struggle with the most.

I don't recall if in the original if Chin Ho had a cloud hanging over him or not, I don't believe he did, but I can't be 100% on that. My best recollection is that he was just another straight laced officer who went to work for Steve. But other than that, I actually feel like the new Chin Ho most closely resembles his past counterpart.

Finally Kono. The original Kono was portrayed by Zulu, an actual native born big burly Hawaiian male, again another established police officer. You have to admit the way they cast this new character was quite a departure from that. No one will mistake Grace Park for Zulu.

Those are the things that jump out at me as "bearing no resemblance" from one show to the next.

 

[gh4chiefs]

I think all that people, or maybe just me, are asking is for you to EXPAND upon your observations.

Actually, the first response was basically telling him to shut the hell up and keep his opinion to himself.

Yeah that's how I took it and that's why I got defensive.

 

[gh4chiefs]

I think all that people, or maybe just me, are asking is for you to EXPAND upon your observations.

Actually, the first response was basically telling him to shut the hell up and keep his opinion to himself.

That's true. But I have a feeling there was a history to that...

None that I'm aware but perhaps I've offended Sheep in the past in some other matter. I certainly I don't harbor any ill will over anything, but I will rise to defend myself when I feel I've been wronged.

 

[Nerys Myk]

So, again, I'll ask: why do you think the show isn't much like the original? Tone? The action sequences?

Well if you're truly interested, as opposed to just looking for an argument, I will be glad to expand. You politely asked, and I'll politely respond. Again this about what's DIFFERENT, not about what's good or bad.

First of all, it starts with McGarrett. Jack Lord's Steve was very much by the book, he would NEVER dangle somebody off a building or torture them as seen this week. Steve was much more of a professional police officer than in this newer version.

Then there comes the relationship between Steve and Danny, or the whole team for that matter. It's just totally different, there's definitely more respect, just a more civil way of interacting with each other in the original than in this new version. Actually I think it's this relationship difference that I find the most different, and the thing I struggle with the most.

I don't recall if in the original if Chin Ho had a cloud hanging over him or not, I don't believe he did, but I can't be 100% on that. My best recollection is that he was just another straight laced officer who went to work for Steve. But other than that, I actually feel like the new Chin Ho most closely resembles his past counterpart.

Finally Kono. The original Kono was portrayed by Zulu, an actual native born big burly Hawaiian male, again another established police officer. You have to admit the way they cast this new character was quite a departure from that. No one will mistake Grace Park for Zulu.

Those are the things that jump out at me as "bearing no resemblance" from one show to the next.

Thats all true but did you think they were going to make a show with 1960s attitudes and characterizations? Stiff by the book officers in suits uttering their lines in a clipped barely emotional manner isn't how its done these days. Even by the book shows like the L&Os try to give their cops more personality than was exhibited in the orginal 5-0. Lets face it not all that much difference between Danny, Chin and Kono except for their appearance. McGarrett was their boss and that was his big difference. In the new show they've gone for more of a Starsky & Hutch vibe with McGarrett and Dano being contemporaries, though McGarrett is still the boss its Dano who has the experience. OTHO McGarrett is a native born Hawaiian and Dano's from the mainland so he's our POV character who can ask questions so Steve, Chin and Kono can fill him ( and the audience in.)

Yes Grace Park and therefore Kono is a woman. Females leads in cop show!!! Whatta crazy world.

 

[sojourner]

Tonally, I think the big shift is the relationship between McGarrett and the rest of the team. In the current show they seem alot closer to each other friendship wise.

 

[Star Wolf]

Tonally, I think the big shift is the relationship between McGarrett and the rest of the team. In the current show they seem alot closer to each other friendship wise.

I had the impression that McGarrett was the top cop in the state and he was mentoring Danno for bigger things. Now he is a 90 day wonder put in command by a governor who has to slap him down sometimes this year. Danno is the Sergeant who has to train his new commander. I don't know what to make with corruption inside of HPD so strong that an outsider, Danno, is alone in investigating papa McGarrett's murder.

 

[gh4chiefs]

Tonally, I think the big shift is the relationship between McGarrett and the rest of the team. In the current show they seem alot closer to each other friendship wise.

Interesting that you see it that way. I have totally the opposite impression. In this current show, it comes across to me as Steve and Danny simply "tolerating" each other.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Tonally, I think the big shift is the relationship between McGarrett and the rest of the team. In the current show they seem alot closer to each other friendship wise.

Interesting that you see it that way. I have totally the opposite impression. In this current show, it comes across to me as Steve and Danny simply "tolerating" each other.

Not an unusual situation in cop shows and movies. They get on each others nerves but are becoming buddies. If one was female they'd fall in love.