Hate for the new Trek and the Future of Trek

[velour]

I am curious as to how many (if any) people, who were not fans before and who had never seen any kind of Star Trek prior, became fans of the franchise because of and after viewing the JJ Abrams' Star Trek movies.

I wonder how compelling the JJ Trek films were to non-fans. Were the films so compelling that they converted many non-fans into fans of the franchise? I mean those people who wanted to see more Trek stuff and who subsequently went on to buy or rent a dvd, or whatever, of any of the older Trek series or movies.

If there are any of those people, I also wonder how they compare the nuTrek with the older Trek. I wish there was a way to find the answers.

It was. It really, truly was. Hopefully by Beyond they've split up.

I didn't think that I would, but I actually like them as a couple.

My favorite scene in STID was the lover's spat that Spock and Uhura had in the shuttlecraft on the way to the Klingon planet. I liked how they dragged Kirk into the middle of their fight. That was funny.

I thought that the hardest character for Abrams to get "right" would be Spock. So I was really surprised as to how well Quinto portrayed Spock. I liked Quinto's portrayal of Spock. Of course, Nimoy's Spock is Spock. But Quinto's Spock was almost as good imo.

As for Uhura, I actually liked nuTrek Uhura better than the old Trek one. She and nuTrek Sulu were the only two nuTrek characters that I felt were more likable, compelling, interesting (I don't know how else to describe it) than the old ones. However, all of the other nuTrek characters have come off as leaving a lot to be desired.

 

[BillJ]

I was merely saying that I would have appreciated similar approach to Star Trek than was taken to Star Wars with FA.

But that really wasn't possible. Too many failures littered Trek's road over the last twenty years. They had to go back to the core material. Not enough people were going to be interested in the further adventures of the 24th century or generic spinoff number six.

Painful to admit it, but Star Wars simply plays in a different, much larger ballpark than Trek.

I think it is about as much remake of TWOK as FA is remake of 'The New Hope'. Which is to say that neither really is a remake, but they borrow heavily from the older film.

I think The Force Awakens leans on A New Hope far more than Into Darkness leaned on The Wrath of Khan.

 

[Kor]

I am curious as to how many (if any) people, who were not fans before and who had never seen any kind of Star Trek prior, became fans of the franchise because of and after viewing the JJ Abrams' Star Trek movies.

I dunno. But at least one person I know, who had never seen any Trek movie or TV show before, and didn't even see ST09, happened to watch ST:ID and absolutely fell in love with it. Her assessment was "Oh, now I understand why people like Star Trek!"



Kor

 

[Longinus]

But that really wasn't possible. Too many failures littered Trek's road over the last twenty years. They had to go back to the core material. Not enough people were going to be interested in the further adventures of the 24th century or generic spinoff number six.

Probably true. Still, I'd have personally preferred generic spinoff number six!

Painful to admit it, but Star Wars simply plays in a different, much larger ballpark than Trek.

Oh certainly true.

I think The Force Awakens leans on A New Hope far more than Into Darkness leaned on The Wrath of Khan.

If that's the reason how Abrams managed to make a film with a plot that makes even a little bit of sense I'll take it!

 

[Trekkin]

I know at least two people who watched TWOK and Space Seed after watching STID.

Mainly because they borrowed my TWOK DVD.

 

[JWPlatt]

...[Abrams] seemed to have a respect for Star Wars in a way he didn't have for Star Trek....

...You mean he didn't take your personal wants into account when making, boo fucking hoo.

Nice. I don't think Longinus demanded his personal wants be observed. It was an observation that has also been made by others.

Heh. So are you saying you would boycott a Primeverse movie? Or are you saying you'd still pony up, but would actually watch the other movies 50 times before going to seeing it? The latter seems a bit OCD. Has a Star Trek fan ever successfully not seen a Star Trek movie? Resistance is futile.

Boycott means taking action to make it not happen. I'm saying I wouldn't make the effort to go see one. But thanks for taking that entirely out of context.

I'm sorry you didn't enjoy the question as much as I did. Good try at pedantry though. Boycott means terminating a relationship in protest.

I managed to avoid seeing "Nemesis" for a number of years. But I finally bit the bullet when I spotted the DVD somewhere for a couple bucks.

Yeah, I wasn't including only the theater in the boycott. The bastards pulled you back in eventually.

 

[BillJ]

I saw Nemesis in the theater and bought the DVD new.

 

[Kor]

Well, I wasn't purposefully boycotting NEM... At that point I had just kind of lost enthusiasm about Trek for a while, and I didn't see very many movies in the theater (unlike now).

Kor

 

[BillJ]

Well, I wasn't purposefully boycotting NEM... At that point I had just kind of lost enthusiasm about Trek for a while, and I didn't see very many movies in the theater (unlike now).

Kor

I skipped Insurrection in the theater. Smartest thing I ever did.

 

[Kemaiku]

I skipped Insurrection in the theater. Smartest thing I ever did.

I didn't, I regret it to this day.

 

[eyeresist]

I managed to avoid seeing "Nemesis" for a number of years. But I finally bit the bullet when I spotted the DVD somewhere for a couple bucks.

I hope you enjoyed it.

 

[fireproof78]

I don't care what he liked as a kid, but the fact is that his Star Wars film is way better than either of his Trek films. He seemed to have a respect for Star Wars in a way he didn't have for Star Trek. Of course liking or having a personal connection to a franchise doesn't necessarily guarantee good results, after all, George Lucas managed to make the prequel trilogy.

That's a matter of personal taste. I thoroughly enjoyed TFA, but I would watch ST09 or STID before watching TFA, if given the choice. I find the characters more enjoyable.

Also, I think Abrams was far more successful in creating films based upon the tone of TOS and bringing them in to the 21st century in terms of filmmaking. Whether you agree with his choices, or not, I think his films borrowed more from TOS than many realize, and my own personal knowledge of TOS makes the film watching experience even more enjoyable.

 

[PhaserLightShow]

That's a matter of personal taste. I thoroughly enjoyed TFA, but I would watch ST09 or STID before watching TFA, if given the choice. I find the characters more enjoyable.

Also, I think Abrams was far more successful in creating films based upon the tone of TOS and bringing them in to the 21st century in terms of filmmaking. Whether you agree with his choices, or not, I think his films borrowed more from TOS than many realize, and my own personal knowledge of TOS makes the film watching experience even more enjoyable.

What do you mean by tone terms of filmmaking.


@PhaserLightShow

 

[PhaserLightShow]

That's a matter of personal taste. I thoroughly enjoyed TFA, but I would watch ST09 or STID before watching TFA, if given the choice. I find the characters more enjoyable.

Also, I think Abrams was far more successful in creating films based upon the tone of TOS and bringing them in to the 21st century in terms of filmmaking. Whether you agree with his choices, or not, I think his films borrowed more from TOS than many realize, and my own personal knowledge of TOS makes the film watching experience even more enjoyable.

What do you mean by tone terms of filmmaking.


@PhaserLightShow

Sorry, I should have said:
"What do you mean by tone of TOS and 21st century terms of filmmaking?
And how did JJ Abrams take more from TOS than we realize?
@PhaserLightShow"

 

[PhaserLightShow]

That's true, I see that point. I would rather see people be upbeat and positive about new Trek rather than negative. My opinion though.

Well, I do not want to be positive about new trek because I dislike it.

@PhaserLightShow

 

[PhaserLightShow]

I don't really hate the new films. I kind of consider them an alternate reality. But I think they helped get young people who had never seen any of the series interested in going back and looking at what came before.

How would it help young people get interested?

@PhaserLightShow

 

[BillJ]

Well, I do not want to be positive about new trek because I dislike it.

@PhaserLightShow

"Roddenberry's Vision!!!"

 

[JWPlatt]

How would it help young people get interested?

Except for the missing conception scene, it was literally an origin story of James T. Kirk. It started at the beginning without all the baggage of 50 years of history - theoretically. It allows new butts to fill the seats without feeling like they're 50 years behind on the story. New butts aren't necessarily young people, but explosions, shaky cam, fast-cut editing, and dark and gritty realism of various reboots are often thought to help draw them in like moths to a phaser beam.

 

[Trekkin]

Got to admit, I just sniggered when I saw 'dark and gritty' being even vaguely connected to Abrams Trek films.

Blame my viewing of Batman v Superman: Grimdark of Justice yesterday.

 

[fireproof78]

Sorry, I should have said:
"What do you mean by tone of TOS and 21st century terms of filmmaking?
And how did JJ Abrams take more from TOS than we realize?
@PhaserLightShow"

TOS was very much a show based in the 60s, in terms of tone and format, with the differences coming from the casting. It was pitched as an action/adventure show, with some social commentary, as science fiction often does.

21st century filmmaking tends to be much faster paced, with an emphasis on action. And, that is certainly present within the Abrams films, but there is definitely a strong line of social commentary built within it.

As for TOS elements there is a video on it but I'll break it down real quick:

-Sarek's speech to young Spock regarding the nature of Vulcan emotion from the Animated Series, as well as the teasing by Vulcan youngsters.
-Spock and Uhura flirting in one episode.
-McCoy's comment of "Little suffering is good for the soul."
-Red shirt on the landing party.
-Kirk goading Spock in to an emotional outburst.

I could go on, and the video shows different clips side by side to illustrate further. But, my larger point is, that Abrams Trek is true to the spirit of TOS, not later Star Trek. It focuses on the action and adventure of space, and weaves social commentary around that.

People's experience obviously will vary, but I think it works very well.