Because the Burn will ultimately wipe it all out?
Spoilers Has Discovery destroyed the possibility of any positive progression until after the 32nd Century?
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Because the Burn will ultimately wipe it all out?
This is like saying Balance of Terror ceases to be a good or interesting story because of ST 2009. I don't understand it. If stories are good, then any future catastrophe doesn't factor in by my reckoning.
No, because ST09 is an alternate timeline.
But the destruction of Romulus occured in the prime timeline and was further explored in Star Trek: Picard.
The destruction of Romulus still happened in the prime timeline. So, does that destruction diminish past Romulan stories?
I'll go even further. Why does the Federation have to be re-established in the future as how it used to be in the past? Why couldn't the Trek showrunners create something new? The Trek franchise clings to the Federation and Starfleet the way the Star Wars franchise clings to the Jedi.
I mean, a single galaxy encompasses so many star systems and planets that I don't really see how it's implausible that they would still be focused on exploring the Milky Way Galaxy in a thousand years.
Also, bear in mind that it was estimated to take Voyager about 75 years to cross 70,000 light-years or so. Let's round that off a bit and say 75 years for 75,000 light-years, so about 1k light-years per year. At that speed, it would still take Voyager 2,537 years to reach the Andromeda Galaxy. So to me, it's completely plausible that the Federation just has not begun extragalactic exploration by the 3100s.
But it won't. That's the whole point of DIS S3 and S4 -- the Burn did not wipe everything out, and society rebuilt.
I think Star Trek has more variety inherent to its concept than it tends to use, so I agree that DIS could have featured the end of the Federation but the establishment of something newer or even better in its stead. But Star Wars just fundamentally is about the Jedi. Saying Star Wars "clings" to the Jedi is like saying Law & Order "clings" to the New York City Police Department.
I mean, the franchise now has four prequels, all contradicting future-set series and each other in countless ways. The "Star Trek" writers treat the 23rd Century pretty much however they want, with minimal regard to previous canon. There's no reason they won't do the same with shows set in the 24th Century, the 25th, and anything else up to the 32nd.
How to understand Trek Canon in one easy lesson: They can do anything they want at any time. Conflicts are resolved thusly: Newest trumps oldest.
Class dismissed.
Class dismissed.
Because canon doesn't need the regard like fans often treat it. Treat it as a framework not a straight jacket.
"Canon is more what ye call....guidelines."
~ Captain Barbossa of the U.S.S. Black Pearl
@Sci, how's this for something "better" replacing the Federation...
There is a SNW - the fanfic, not the TV series - story about a Starfleet vessel (crewed by holograms) that has been travelling around for literally a million years. One line of the story says that the crew has established "hundreds of Federations, all waiting to be linked up". I would LOVE to see DSC try something like that...although of course it doesn't take place anywhere near that far in the future...
There is a SNW - the fanfic, not the TV series - story about a Starfleet vessel (crewed by holograms) that has been travelling around for literally a million years. One line of the story says that the crew has established "hundreds of Federations, all waiting to be linked up". I would LOVE to see DSC try something like that...although of course it doesn't take place anywhere near that far in the future...
4? I only count 3. And they regard canon pretty well.
Four prequels.
- Boobyprize
- Abrams movies
- First two seasons of STDisco
- Strange New Worlds
Ahh sorry, I don't consider the Abrams films prequels because they're in a different universe.
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Expanded it and added new details to it, rather than confirming fan assumption.
This is why I prefer that DSC isn't a prequel anymore.
I look at the rest in this line-up, and... pass on the Abrams Films, hard pass on ENT ("Boobyprize" is the perfect name for it!), and I'm fair-weather on SNW.
The best prequel ever made is Better Call Saul. It's one of the true exceptions.
Season 4 is amazing for using existing continuity to enable worldbuilding.
Fittingly, ENT provided us with several glimpses into what was then "the distant future", and is now an unexplored era between PIC/STO and DSCs3. Like "Azati Prime". STO establishes that the Battle of Procyon V is still fought after the Tuterians set up a new expanse. The Enterprise-J looks similar (only the name markings on the hull have changed) as it did in the original but averted timeline.
I'd like to thing that, besides the Temporal Cold War front in 2554, the Federation went through a golden age around the time of the Enterprise-J's 100-year long service. I also imagine that later Enterprises are going to have been more advanced but none were going to have been as large as the Universe-class J. /fanfic
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