Harry Kim's promotion... or lack of it.
- Thread starter Kobayshi Maru
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Ironically, if the rest the cast had been left alone, we wouldn't even be having this discussion. Because we'd simply assume that Janeway doesn't have authority to issue promotions without some kind of Starfleet brass rubber stamping it.
The problem comes from the fact that they did actually show people getting demoted/promoted on screen, and nobody ever called Janeway out on that bullshit.
So the only conclusion we're left to draw is that either Harry was Janeway's gimp, or that Harry ceased to be Harry in Captain Katie's eyes after the events of "Deadlock".
'What's that I heard? I could have sworn that sack of skin and bones sitting in Harry's seat said something, but that can't be right, because Harry's dead.'
I think harry has a right to be resentful of Janeway because she promoted the wayward Tom over him. After Tom was demoted for disobeying orders and violating the prime directive (no less), it was logical that Harry be promoted before he was.
Promotions need to be earned. Would you promote somebody as useless as Harry? It be like promoting Celes from Good Shepherd.
His lack of promotion just mirrors lack of interesting character traits (aside from being Wallpaper Man)
His lack of promotion just mirrors lack of interesting character traits (aside from being Wallpaper Man)
On the Enterprise-D, it was the ship's android who was the Ops manager.
Harry K, who theoretically held the same position on Voyager, was green. Straight outta the hood (uh, I mean 'the academy').
He's an Ensign who regularly shows up in staff meetings. We'd never seen the like on Star Trek before, not even babyfaced Chekov.
Ensign Kimmy and Mayweather are the reasons why presenting us with Ensigns as regular characters just isn't a good idea. Stretches credibility too much.
(Pavel is the exception, of course. He's got a funny haircut, so we welcome him into our hearts like a second son. Or maybe a favourite childhood pet.)
Even Wesley "How Did I Manage To Save The Ship Today?" Crusher knew if he ever stepped over the threshold into the conference room then he'd be a dead man, no matter how much Jean-Luc wanted to get into Beverly's pants.
Harry K, who theoretically held the same position on Voyager, was green. Straight outta the hood (uh, I mean 'the academy').
He's an Ensign who regularly shows up in staff meetings. We'd never seen the like on Star Trek before, not even babyfaced Chekov.
Ensign Kimmy and Mayweather are the reasons why presenting us with Ensigns as regular characters just isn't a good idea. Stretches credibility too much.
(Pavel is the exception, of course. He's got a funny haircut, so we welcome him into our hearts like a second son. Or maybe a favourite childhood pet.)
Even Wesley "How Did I Manage To Save The Ship Today?" Crusher knew if he ever stepped over the threshold into the conference room then he'd be a dead man, no matter how much Jean-Luc wanted to get into Beverly's pants.
Tom flies the ship. He dodged countless enemy ships, avoided a bunch of anomalies, traversed seemingly impassable courses, and personally saved the ship more than a few times.
Harry's job is pretty much repeating the computer.
Yeah it didn't make any sense to have Harry be in the conference room, or indeed manning such an important position as the primary man for the job. There's got to have been one of the Marquis who's able to do that while contributing more to the plot/series. Anybody? Please?
However, Janeway also allowed Kes and Neelix into the conference room. (though Kes might be justified in the way that she served as the Doctor's "ambassador" before he was able to leave sickbay)
However, Janeway also allowed Kes and Neelix into the conference room. (though Kes might be justified in the way that she served as the Doctor's "ambassador" before he was able to leave sickbay)
It'd be okay if "Caretaker" had established that there was some other dude in the job, and that Harry had to take over suddenly after Lt. Cmdr Other Dude smashes his head in on the edge of his console during the journey to the DQ.
That'd make Harry, like, totally heroic and stuff. Stepping into the breach when he is most needed. What a legend, eh?
But what's lame is that Ensign Harry is made chief of Ops from the off. He's barely managed to avoid getting conned out of all his latinum by Quark before Janeway has made him Chief Of Operations. And then he stays there for seven years, trying hard to just say his lines on cue and to not bump into the furniture.
(I tell a lie: he's actually only there for 18 months, but then gets killed off for real and replaced with a duplicate for the remainder of the trip. Let us never mention this again.
)
That'd make Harry, like, totally heroic and stuff. Stepping into the breach when he is most needed. What a legend, eh?
But what's lame is that Ensign Harry is made chief of Ops from the off. He's barely managed to avoid getting conned out of all his latinum by Quark before Janeway has made him Chief Of Operations. And then he stays there for seven years, trying hard to just say his lines on cue and to not bump into the furniture.
(I tell a lie: he's actually only there for 18 months, but then gets killed off for real and replaced with a duplicate for the remainder of the trip. Let us never mention this again.
)
The writers could of promoted him twice in the series making him a Lieutenant in the sixth or seventh season. This would of filled the empty slot. Tuvok was promoted to Lieutenant Commander it left room for someone to fill in. So why not add Harry Kim to the slot. He was one of the senior officers on Voyager and a bridge officer.
Plus he was friends with the guy with the fat hands (did you see them? it's hard to believe that he could type with these sausages he has for fingers.) that could fade in and out of reality.
Harry Kim: Pussy
Well, he wasn't exactly rambo or Indiana Jones.
A drifter who named himself after his childhood dog?
You call a professor of archeology, a drifter? How do you call Gandhi? A panhandler?
Rambo in the first movie was a drifter who could not deal with peace time.
His dog was named Rambo?
