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Gorn

Agreed. I posted this thought in the episode thread. That the hybridized Batel will go on a suicide mission to the Gorn homeworld where they are all now hibernating, and infect them with her virus. Like the Klingons, the virus alters the Gorn, just much more drastically. They all become hybridized Gorn-Humans, slowing down, and losing their tails. Thus Kirk refers to a creature the Metrons call a Gorn, because he's not familiar with their new form after they come out of hibernation.
That would also be why the Gorn knew how to trick Federation starships in Arena because Betel knows how.
 
Not sure why it would be easier unless ever writer gets to binge through Trek or has a Trek primer or something. Not like we got more time

You don't have to binge through Trek. You literally have to watch one episode. My kids just did it this morning.

We now have more info that the last go round.

"It's something called a Gorn. It doesn't look like a Gorn. But the tactics are just like those in Starfleet records, including an attack on the Enterprise. Oh, and the Gorn Hegemony is RIGHT OVER THERE. But
we know they were all put to sleep five years ago by the Enterprise.
"

Actually, given that we know less about this history than Kirk, Spock, Uhura, Chapel, or Scott, and none of them make a connection in Arena, why do WE think that the thing in Arena is a Gorn?
 
We just watched The Broken Circle. I forgot (or didn't notice before) that Cestus is right next to where April is tracking the Gorn threat. You would think that it would be standard Starfleet training that Cestus is under the shadow of the Gorn threat,

even if temporarily held at bay. They even know that it's temporary when they shut that particular door.

This ignored by broader point but point well taken.

There are lots of points of Star Trek trivia that can be tricky to keep track of. Arena isn't one of them. Neither is What Are Little Girls Made Of.

It would be awesome to hear about Sam's family. He's definitely got at least one kid at this point. (Does it ever say where Peter is among the three kids?)

WWIII has a few data points and certainly post-TOS they move around a bit.

I bet Klingon history at this point is frightful to untangle.

It used to be pretty easy to remember that the folk with the cloaking devices and the bird painted ships were Romulans.

There's probably a lot about Spock. But there's only one episode about his engagement and his wedding.

Just think, there is more backstory for Joseph M'Benga that the writers have to keep track of from their own show then there is from the rest of Star Trek!
 
It's a choice. Or choices. I'm enjoying what they're doing with the material so far.

I'd like to see the new version of Kirk and Spock take a run at some of the first season TOS episodes and see how they can tweak them. Certainly WALGMO wouldn't present much in the way of a challenge.
 
Remember when fans could roll with retcons and have fun with creating explanations instead of just blaming production crews as lazy?

eg. "Star Trek Mysteries – Solved!" by Leslie Thompson, in volumes of "The Best of Trek".

Fans loved to come up with theories to make things intersect. It was an art form that gave birth to many fanfics, fan films and even professional writing careers.

And it's not lazy, it can be hard work and very imaginative.
 
Is it time to start the GORN Jokes yet?

Cause I'm finding this conversation to be a bit boring at this point and I'm gornna go if not.

(we need a Gorn emoji)
small Gorn Emoji.png

:biggrin:
 
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Shifting dates and events up the timeline have negligible impact on the stories. Khan’s story isn’t about the 1990s. It hinges on being a notorious individual from the past. Why we get hung up on the data points mystifies me.
How cool would it be if they OWNED Trek's original history and ran with it. A little exposition in an episode instead of more pointless shipping moments between Spock and Chapel or La'an and Kirk could totally bring the uninitiated up to speed. Then show some devastation through special effects, or at least displaced people affected by the war in a city the war hasn't touched. Even during WWII, there were tons of places that were relatively unaffected. Let the fans realize that the 'future history' of Trek started from about 1969 rather than 2025.
 
How cool would it be if they OWNED Trek's original history and ran with it. A little exposition in an episode instead of more pointless shipping moments between Spock and Chapel or La'an and Kirk could totally bring the uninitiated up to speed. Then show some devastation through special effects, or at least displaced people affected by the war in a city the war hasn't touched. Even during WWII, there were tons of places that were relatively unaffected. Let the fans realize that the 'future history' of Trek started from about 1969 rather than 2025.
Trek is rarely interested being some sort of alt history. When it does a story set now it's an approximation of the now outside the windows of the viewers' homes. That's a conceit of the show, It's our future starting now. (And our past too)

The characters are what the show is about, including the "shipping moments". (See signature) They shouldn't waste time and money bringing viewers up to speed on the "future history" for the sake of the handful of fans who obsess over minutia and data points.

Alt history is fun. I love "For All Mankind" and Years of Rice and Salt, but Star Trek isn't either of those, nor should it be.
 
I just had an interesting and somewhat icky thought. I don't know if this has already been proposed, but I wonder if the more humanoid Gorn captain in Arena will somehow be tied to Batel's "hybridization" procedure. 🤔

I can see this coming at me like a freight train and I will hate it. They'll only do it to placate screeching babies on the internet. "Huuurrr durrrrr the Gorn in SNW don't look like the cheesy ass TOS one durrrrrrrr"

These kinds of stories almost always never work, because the stories have to inorganically be directed to a very specific and predetermined outcome that will never satisfy the screeching babies anyway.
 
Doing it would simply imitate an uninspired "explanation" from an old Trek series that's never been anyone's idea of clever to begin with.*




*Sue me for hyperbole.
 
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