Game over: the doublefist

Discussion in 'General Trek Discussion' started by NewHeavensNewEarth, Aug 16, 2019.

  1. NewHeavensNewEarth

    NewHeavensNewEarth Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    It really makes me wonder whether TOS laid the foundation for the WWF/WWE some years later.
     
  2. Grant

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    Why does the WWF have supposed allies of wrestlers flee the scene when they are attacked?
     
  3. Timo

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    ...Have you ever faced down a vicious giant panda?

    Of course, if Kirk had one disguised assassin aboard, why not sixteen? That guy might have been on his way to secure the doors so that Security could not arrive, while the others cut communications and edited CCTV to make sure that Kirk's gruesome death would be blamed on Andor and Andor only.

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  4. King Daniel Beyond

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    Because baddie wrestlers, like TOS Klingons, are cowards with no integrity.
     
  5. Grant

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    Yeah but what I'm talkin about Enterprise crewman running off when they see their Captain attacked as in the clip above
     
  6. JirinPanthosa

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    Also, regardless of weight, anybody can hold their own in hand to hand combat with anybody else.
     
  7. NewHeavensNewEarth

    NewHeavensNewEarth Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    You sure about that?
     
  8. JirinPanthosa

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    Would TV portray something that wasn’t realistic? I think not.
     
  9. Tim Thomason

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    I mean, I guess every human being has specific points where you can quickly disable and potentially kill them, with only the strength of an average preteen. If you were to face a 250-pound muscly brute, anyone can defeat him if he was dead still or perhaps paralyzed.

    The problem is when it comes to an opponent countering your moves. Either through slow movements exposing only pure muscle mass, or quick movements and offenses that throw out any strategy you calculate. With aliens, a knifehand strike to the jugular might, in fact, hit some vestigial bone plate or harmless flesh, making any entire exercise based on human anatomy pointless and counterintuitive.

    Thelev was an Orion, but he may have been surgically altered to be Andorian. Kirk thought he was fighting an Andorian, but who knows what his internal anatomy looked like. Removing the antennae was probably not a humiliating or debilitating move (unlike Archer v. Shran 113 years prior), but the concussion caused by Kirk's knee was a solid off-the-cuff strategy that should work with most cranial species.
     
  10. Grant

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    Please elaborate further.
     
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  11. KamenRiderBlade

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    It's true that if you make assumptions on alien humanoids based on human physiology, you might get certain critical weak points wrong. That's why it's always good to know weak spots from studying anatomy.
     
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  12. NewHeavensNewEarth

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    I would think that Xenoanatomy would be a popular class for that reason.
     
  13. KamenRiderBlade

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    But given the number of humanoid aliens species out there, that could make memorizing and strategizing a bit difficult.
     
  14. NewHeavensNewEarth

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    I'm sure there would be a cheat sheet or app that outlines the pertinent areas to be punched.
     
  15. JirinPanthosa

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    I would think it’s popular for more kinky reasons. ;)
     
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  16. KamenRiderBlade

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    I'm sure people will easily forget once the alien anatomy rules & exceptions gets past 100
     
  17. Grant

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    Started out with so much fun
     
  18. NewHeavensNewEarth

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    Earlier, it was mentioned that back in the TOS days, there was a general lack of knowledge among viewers about eastern martial arts, but people definitely knew about boxing and wrestling. These moves are so silly, they look almost like a parody of fighting rather than an attempt to make it look legit.

    It's definitely gotten better over time since the TOS days, but surely that has to do with adding more stunt/fight coordinators along with structured training of the actors when stunt folks aren't brought in. And sometimes the actors do get into it in a genuine way. It's fun to hear Olivia Munn talk about the passion she developed for swordplay while training and filming for X-Men: Apocalypse. Not that we need more swords in Trekverse, but Sulu did rock it. Picard & Guinan...not so much. And then there were Barclay's holodeck duels... :rolleyes:
     
  19. The Old Mixer

    The Old Mixer Mih ssim, mih ssim, nam, daed si Xim. Moderator

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    Actually, I said that there was a general lack of knowledge back in the World War II era, but that didn't stop 1960's war shows from having characters routinely use the TV Fu Knockout Chop.
     
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  20. Tim Thomason

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    Maybe the knifehand strike is not an effective attack on humans, but makes a noticeable dent in Andorians, Klingons, Orions, et cetera, so they pushed its use in the 2250s and '60s as part of the optimal hand-to-hand fighting strategy to effect the most humanoid beings.

    They revised the style by Picard's era.