Game over: the doublefist

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  1. King Daniel Beyond

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    A little off topic, but I will say that modern TV and movies portray fighting VERY unrealistically. In the season 2 Disco finale, Georgiou is punched in the face full force, repeatedly by Leland. And she was fine afterwards, with just a few minor cuts and bruises and none of the horrific eyes-swollen-shut, concussion and various other serious issues that would arise had that happened in real life. I know TV is a fantasy land, but everyone's a superhero now and able to survive ridiculous amounts of punishment.
     
  2. Grant

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    And even on non science fiction shows wounds cuts abrasions black eyes all heal from tremendously fast on television. Same thing with split lip, they'll show somebody with a split lip and then show a scene that takes like Place 48 hours later and the person's split let will be healed completely.
     
  3. Timo

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    DS9 was really notorious in this respect: Sisko's face ought to have looked like hell from all that punching with knotty, spiny and sharp Jem'Hadar fists or Klingon gauntlets. I gather dermal regeneration really is a saving grace in Trek.

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  4. JirinPanthosa

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    Not a Star Trek problem but most TV shows portray a bullet wound to anywhere but head or heart like getting a cut.

    Star Trek I guess does that with stab wounds and burns.
     
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  5. Tim Thomason

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    Yeah, Discovery being TV-MA (at least at first), had the ability to be a little more realistic with their beatdowns. Dermal regenerators and whatnot are fine for explaining the aftermath of a fight some hours or even minutes later, but unless they're all truly descendant of Eugenic supermen, they should take a punch as well as you or I. They didn't cut to Sisko or Burnham in the infirmary after the fight, they showed them immediately.

    Or maybe they are all wearing some sort of "concussive protection field" connected to their uniform that protects from injury.
     
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  6. Timo

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    Or every alien species has the physical strength of <insert group you feel safe dissin'> and the heroes only reel from the punches because Starfleet skimps on shipboard gravity.

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  7. KamenRiderBlade

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    Or maybe humans have slowly & secretly been genetically engineered over time to be stronger, but not necessarily more ambitious or agressive.

    Remember the main flaw of the Eugenic Super-Humans were the "Superior Ambition" side of things.

    If you engineer people to have superior everything else but "Superior Ambition" / agression, we could have more "Dr. Julian Bashir's".
     
  8. JirinPanthosa

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    I think they just don’t want to cover up the faces of their hotties with unsightly injuries.
     
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  9. King Daniel Beyond

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    It's more than that. Concussions, broken jaws or orbital bones (or even hands from punching) would have a huge effect on story, but they just don't exist in TV land.

    Kirk trying to negotiate peace with an alien race while puking and unable to walk straight, half blind due to swelling and unable to open his communicator in his broken right hand and being forced to use the left for everything would certainly put a unique spin on a TOS episode (you reading this, Quentin Tarantino?)
     
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  10. NewHeavensNewEarth

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    Or when the same injury looks radically different from one scene to the next. I just rewatched the DS9 episode where Vic gets beat up, and his injury goes from "bad" to "better" to "bad" to "better" to "worse than ever" from one scene to the next. :ouch:
     
  11. NewHeavensNewEarth

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    Well, lots of food in the U.S. is "enriched" and "modified" already. Maybe the food that comes out of Trek replicators has something super charged in it.
     
  12. Cutie McWhiskers

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    SPOILERS FOLLOW

    As long as when the script dictates they live, anyway. "Duet" is one I chose not to mention originally given the strength of its ending (Bajoran is stabbed once and nobody's feeling bothered to call Dr Bashir who could probably save him and chuck in an artificial heart or whatever's necessary), but compared to TOS where Kirk got knifed and had to rest, by the 24th century Riker just traipses into Sickbay and has the magic wand put over his hawt barrel chest and his broken ribs and bits are healed instantly and he's off to go for another round of Batleth Bowling or whatever he was doing in the holodeck with Worf.

    Which reminds of another gash'n'bruise extravaganza, Picard would have had a red puffy head from all those Borg bits for a week or more with ease, too...

    In the end, it's part of scripting. Too much realism would be boring. Too much idle errant flippant fantasy has a not dissimilar result.
     
  13. JirinPanthosa

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    Kira also gets stabbed in Way of the Warrior, Picard in Suddenly Human, etc.
     
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  15. King Daniel Beyond

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    But was Kirk doing it before or after WWE wrestlers?
     
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  16. KamenRiderBlade

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    You do know Lucha Libre wrestling in Mexico has been doing that for ages. I wouldn't be surprised if their action director back in the day was a fan and inserted that move.

    LA being fairly close to Mexico City, I wouldn't be surprised if the action director caught a few Mexican Wrestling matches back in the day.
     
  17. Timo

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    "Whose move is it?" is a good question here. Is Khan trying to snap his own neck, pulling Kirk off that grille like that? Or is Kirk attempting to get rid of his leverage and literal high ground to prolong the nice fight?

    Timo Saloniemi
     
  18. Prax

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    Umm.. I feel like Mexico City is extremely far from LA
     
  19. KamenRiderBlade

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    Not far enough to prevent Lucha Libre Pro Wrestling from spreading across the borders.
     
  20. NewHeavensNewEarth

    NewHeavensNewEarth Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    So needlessly complicated! But I would totally try that in a backyard brawl. I wish there were crossovers between Trek and the WWF, but the Rock did kinda bridge that gap in VOY.