Spoilers Game of Thrones - Season 7

[cultcross]

I went back and watched the Inside the Episode segment again myself because I wanted to make sure I wasn't mistaken in what I was talking about, and at the exact moment that Dvaid and Dan talk about Cersei bluffing and Tyrion calling her bluff, the portion of their meeting scene that comes onscreen is the "You're pregnant" bit. The point of the "Inside the Episode" segments is for Dan and David to offer their own personal insight into important bits of the show's narrative, so specifically showing her clutch her belly and Tyrion go "You're pregnant" at the same time they're talking about her bluffing him is not a coincidence; it's pointing out something that they want you to pick up on specifically.

If you say so. I didn't get that from the sequence at all, because the pregnancy isn't a bluff that Tyrion spots, which is explicitly what they're talking about. They're talking about bluff and double bluff - the pregnancy doesn't fit that at all, as Tyrion believes that bit.

 

[Captaindemotion]

She already told Jamie she was pregnant. Why would she lie to him about that?

If the first we heard of the pregnancy was when Tyrion heard of it, I could buy that it was a bluff but I don't see what reason she had to lie to Jamie about it.

 

[FreezeC77]

She already told Jamie she was pregnant. Why would she lie to him about that?

If the first we heard of the pregnancy was when Tyrion heard of it, I could buy that it was a bluff but I don't see what reason she had to lie to Jamie about it.

To keep him on her side. Jamie has been critical of her decisions and questioning just what the real point was to do all this and have no legacy with their children all dead.

 

[Captain Shaw]

I wonder if cersei has given any thought to how she's going to feed all the extra men she's hiring?

 

[The Nth Doctor]

She already told Jamie she was pregnant. Why would she lie to him about that?

If the first we heard of the pregnancy was when Tyrion heard of it, I could buy that it was a bluff but I don't see what reason she had to lie to Jamie about it.

I'm wondering if perhaps she's lying to herself about the pregnancy.

 

[A Chimpanzee & 2 Trainees]

the fact that Tyrion the womaniser has been chaste since Kings Landing

Interesting. I never thought that it really had anything to do with being in love - secretly or not - with anyone. He doesn't womanize for the same reason he doesn't drink himself to death anymore... he's found a purpose rather than simply feeling sorry for himself or hiding from the pain Tywin and Cersei delighted in inflicting upon him.

 

[Captain Shaw]

I never understood why Tywin left Tyrion alive, wonder if his wife got him to promise not to kill him on her deathbed.

 

[Captaindemotion]

I never understood why Tywin left Tyrion alive, wonder if his wife got him to promise not to kill him on her deathbed.

The Kinslayer (not Kingslayer) is held in particularly low regard in Westeros and for all that Tywin loathed Tyrion, he clearly not not being himself to take that step.

 

[137th Gebirg]

I'm actually pretty convinced that Cersei is pregnant. I don't think it's a bluff at all. The only redeeming feature she has ever enjoyed is her love as a mother for her children. Their collective deaths, even of Joffrey, hit her hard and gave her basically nothing to live for other than the monarchy. Now that she's pregnant again, she wants to live and she wants her child to live and she will do anything necessary to see that happen, even if it means making the potentially strategic error of not helping with the Walkers. She plans to let the Unsullied, Dothraki and northern armies get worn down to nothing by the Walkers (or vice-versa) so that she can make short work of either army should they make their way back down south. She correctly deduced that something happened to Veserion and there's really no conflicting evidence informing her that she should be more worried than she is - at least, not at this point. Geography is her ally and she intends to use it to its fullest advantage, buying additional time for Euron to return with the Golden Company to shore up her forces. She also still has a city full of Aerys' wildfire and I have no doubt that she and Qyburn will try to make use of it in new and inventive ways other than a scorched-earth failsafe. Lots of wight-cooking potential in all that Pyromancer's Piss.

 

[Reverend]

OK, just the clear this up because I see several people struggling with the concept: -
The "bluff" isn't whether or not she's pregnant. The bluff is her making Tyrion aware of it while simultaneously *thinking* she's attempting to hide it. She want's him to know, but she wants him to figure it out himself and she wants him to believe she doesn't really want him to know because if she flat out tells him, he'll know she has an ulterior motive.

Why is this important? Remember the context of the conversation. He's asking her what she hoped the achieve by agreeing to the meeting. What does she want out of this situation? What really matters to her in this equation? By leading him to conclude she's afraid for her unborn child, she's building the pretext that'll make him believe she's genuinely relented when she agrees to the truce. She knows that Tyrion knows that her one and only redeeming trait (in his eyes) is that she genuinely and truly loves her children and would do *anything* to protect them.

And yes, she almost certainly is pregnant.

 

[FreezeC77]

When the Night king flew over the wreckage of the wall we saw Viserion had quite a few large holes in his wings, shouldnt that make Drogon and Rhaegal manuever and fly faster?

 

[The Nth Doctor]

OK, just the clear this up because I see several people struggling with the concept: -
The "bluff" isn't whether or not she's pregnant. The bluff is her making Tyrion aware of it while simultaneously *thinking* she's attempting to hide it. She want's him to know, but she wants him to figure it out himself and she want's him to believe she doesn't really want him to know because if she flat out tells him, he'll know she has an ulterior motive.

Why is this important? Remember the context of the conversation. He's asking her what she hoped the achieve by agreeing to the meeting. What does she want out of this situation? What really matters to her in this equation? By leading him to conclude she's afraid for her unborn child, she's building the pretext that'll make him believe she's genuinely relented when she agrees to the truce. She knows that Tyrion knows that her one and only redeeming trait (in his eyes) is that she genuinely and truly loves her children and would do *anything* to protect them.

And yes, she almost certainly is pregnant.

To clarify, my hunch (and really, that's all it is) isn't based on the bluff or what the producers said in the behind-the-scenes extras. I've been pondering the notion since before "The Dragon and the Wolf" and that scene doesn't inherently sway me one way or the other. I know I'm probably wrong, but I also feel like that despite how successfully well Cersei has schemed this season, I question her mental state (more so since than Tommen's death) and that's why I wonder if she's fooling even herself regarding the pregnancy because her children has been the only thing she truly cared about.

 

[Hugo Rune]

I wonder if cersei has given any thought to how she's going to feed all the extra men she's hiring?

Professional mercenaries like the Golden Company likely have their own supply lines.

Cersei need only pony up the gold as required by terms - including their own resources. Of course, the longer the line, the harder it is to maintain it, but Cersei's plan likely involves the Company crushing her dimished enemies after the war up north is complete. With all her arrogance she's likely not expecting a long, drawn out engagement for her hires.

Meanwhile, back at the wall...

Hugo - wants those massive babies

 

[Reverend]

To clarify, my hunch (and really, that's all it is) isn't based on the bluff or what the producers said in the behind-the-scenes extras. I've been pondering the notion since before "The Dragon and the Wolf" and that scene doesn't inherently sway me one way or the other. I know I'm probably wrong, but I also feel like that despite how successfully well Cersei has schemed this season, I question her mental state (more so since than Tommen's death) and that's why I wonder if she's fooling even herself regarding the pregnancy because her children has been the only thing she truly cared about.

Given the context of the reveal involved Jamie walking in on not-Maester Frankenstein finishing up an examination and visibly concerned for her physical well being (not mental), I don't think self delusion or hysterical pregnancy is really on the cards.
I also can't see her flat-out faking it as a way to tie down a Jamie in danger of wandering off. I mean in her mind he's as trapped in his position as she is in her's and their relationship has always alternated between unconditional love and mutual self-hatred. So this is nothing new for them.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I wonder if cersei has given any thought to how she's going to feed all the extra men she's hiring?

Cake?

 

[Vandervecken]

Been wondering what it is about his death that Gregor Clegane has always known, according to Sandor Clegane. Did I miss something? A prophecy?

The Hound's self-deprecating manner makes him sympathetic. He doesn't think he's shit and that, along with his badassery of course, makes him attractive. But basically you'd be hard pressed to find someone less full of himself than the Hound. Less pleasant to be around, too, but this is a crapsack world and pleasant doesn't beat badass + not asshole.

 

[Skywalker]

Been wondering what it is about his death that Gregor Clegane has always known, according to Sandor Clegane. Did I miss something? A prophecy?

I don't think it's anything as complicated as that. Sandor just meant that he planned on being the one who would eventually kill Gregor, and that Gregor knew his little brother would come after him sooner or later.

 

[DigificWriter]

OK, just the clear this up because I see several people struggling with the concept: -
The "bluff" isn't whether or not she's pregnant. The bluff is her making Tyrion aware of it while simultaneously *thinking* she's attempting to hide it. She want's him to know, but she wants him to figure it out himself and she want's him to believe she doesn't really want him to know because if she flat out tells him, he'll know she has an ulterior motive.

Why is this important? Remember the context of the conversation. He's asking her what she hoped the achieve by agreeing to the meeting. What does she want out of this situation? What really matters to her in this equation? By leading him to conclude she's afraid for her unborn child, she's building the pretext that'll make him believe she's genuinely relented when she agrees to the truce. She knows that Tyrion knows that her one and only redeeming trait (in his eyes) is that she genuinely and truly loves her children and would do *anything* to protect them.

And yes, she almost certainly is pregnant.

I disagree with the last part of this based on the context of David and Dan's comments, but every other part of your analysis is spot-on.

 

[Vandervecken]

I don't think it's anything as complicated as that. Sandor just meant that he planned on being the one who would eventually kill Gregor, and that Gregor knew his little brother would come after him sooner or later.

I don't know, it sounded to me as the Hound said it that he was referring to a specific person who was not the Hound. If the Hound had been the Mountain's end, wouldn't battle have been joined then and there? I felt that the Hound was turning his back on that fight, closing the door to it and leaving the Mountain's end to another. Maybe Arya wearing Oberon's face? The words had the feel and ring of a known prophecy referred to by intimates.

Frankly I haven't been able to not feel somewhat sorry for the Mountain, ultraviolent brute though he is. What kind of life is this? He evidently has some intelligence. What must he think of what has been done to him? What pleasures can he possibly have?

 

[DigificWriter]

The Hound was pretty clearly telling/reminding his brother that they have unfinished business that they will settle at a later date.