I would've also accepted The Magnificent Seven.
Ned Stark's Inglorious Basterd?
Spoilers Game of Thrones - Season 7
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Ned Stark's Inglorious Basterd?
They really shouldn't even have to.
The Mountain isn't far from being a wight as it stands.
He's just undead-ish.
If they get a White Walker--it may wind up having an influence over the Mountain with nothing more than a cold gaze. Maybe that was Qyburn's idea all along--him being perhaps an agent for the Night's King.
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A thought occurred while reading an online review: Can Bran warg into a dragon? Or does dragon magic outweigh warg magic (if there's such a thing)?
Another problem: That means Cersei gets to live a bit longer than she deserves.
I still prefer the idea of Jaime killing Cersei outright (a la Aerys) but this would be beautiful poetic justice. Problem is, even with the heavily condensed time passage, the show doesn't have enough time for her pregnancy to come to full term. I could, however, see this working in the books.
Another problem: That means Cersei gets to live a bit longer than she deserves.
Oh, my! I didn't mean it that way!
That's an interesting thought, that is, the Mountain becoming a wight for the White Walkers. I don't think Qynurn is an agent and it would be something rather accidental. He's always been Westeros' token mad scientist.
Maybe it's something convoluted in that wights can be raised south of the Wall, but they can't cross the Wall after becoming wights?
Since we've already made reference to Jon's troop being the Suicide Squad. I think it's time we place our bets for the Dead Pool.
Jon Snow
Gendry Waters
Sandor "The Hound" Clegane
Beric Dondarrion
Tormund Giantsbane
Jorah Mormount
Thoros of Myr
Place your bets. Who will survive?!
Jon Snow
Gendry Waters
Sandor "The Hound" Clegane
Beric Dondarrion
Tormund Giantsbane
Jorah Mormount
Thoros of Myr
Place your bets. Who will survive?!
Hadn't thought of that, and it makes a metric ass-ton of sense now that I look at it. Wouldn't be the first time a living human provided services for the Knight King (Craster) . We know very little about Qyburn's background short of being expelled from the Citadel, with many living Maesters violently shunning him for "unnatural practices". Qyburn is very much a main candidate for Walker influence and was probably imbued with partial magical properties that allowed him to resurrect the Mountain without having full Wight status (hence, no blue eyes). As you say, all it could take is for a Walker or a Wight to fully "activate" the Mountain, and it will take the combined strength of the surviving members of Jon's group, Jaime, the Queensguard, Gold Cloaks and Lannister guards just to take him down.
Just because we're not experiencing the passage of time doesn't mean it doesn't happen. If the entire army marched north, we'd expect it to take a month or so based on how they described it. Do you want to see 5 episodes of marching, or just fast forward to the part where they get there? I don't get the complaining, they've always skipped the travelogue chapters, until he got bogged down at least. If they only need to cover 7-8 more months before the end of the series, seems doable just by sending the armies north...
I did think it was kind of amusing that Jon and Gendry were working together, thinking they're following in their fathers' footsteps, when in fact their fathers were actually sworn enemies, with Gendry's having killed Jon's.
I was going to wait until A.V. Club posted their weekly odds to ask this question, but since you brought it up:
Jon
The Hound (He already cheated death, besides we need to have Clegane Bowl)
Tormund
Maybe Jorah (I can see this going either way)
Hmm, let's see...
Jon Snow - already died
Gendry - nearly died by fire, then lost at sea for 3 years in a tiny rowing boat
Sandor "The Hound" Clegane - nearly dead by Brienne
Beric Dondarrion - respawned more times than an average Call of Duty player
Tormund Giantsbane - nearly dead by bear-lovemaking
Jorah Mormount - nearly dead by greyscale
Thoros of Myr - dead drunk
All are experts at death evasion, it's a tough pick...
Damn, that's right. I keep forgetting the pommel is completely different.
Well, maybe Jon will mention its previous ownership. This past episode was big on reconnecting characters' pasts.
Well, maybe Jon will mention its previous ownership. This past episode was big on reconnecting characters' pasts.
I'll put heavy money on Thoros. SOMEONE has to die, and he's the one we're least invested in. Doesn't seem like we're done with Beric yet, Sandor has more to do, Tormund is needed for the Wildlings (but would be a maybe for me in the pool), and Jorah would seem like a waste after all this, so Thoros it is.
I think this takes it a bit too far.. Qyburn is "just" Frankenstein and the Mountain his monster, we saw him in his lab with Clegane on a slab and a multitude of medical appliances. This is science gone to all hell which is why he was expelled from the Citadel.
The Night King does it by magic.. one touch or his presence is all he needs and he resurrects the dead or turns the living into White Walkers. I sincerely doubt his influence extends beyond the Wall (yet) much less so far south to King's Landing.
Damn, that's right. I keep forgetting the pommel is completely different.
Well, maybe Jon will mention its previous ownership. This past episode was big on reconnecting characters' pasts.
I'm sure that once Jon draws Longclaw Jorah will react to it.. he must at least recognize his ancestral sword as he was about to steal it when he fled Westeros but as a last act of conscience he left it behind.
I'm sure the next episode will be action packed so there may not be time to properly talk about it but i hope they do find a minute somewhere to address this (and i so hope Jorah meets Lyanna Mormont sometime and hears what a badass his niece is
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As Beric is dead in the books, I think he will die beyond the Wall and I think his death will be similar to the books. Thoros will probably die too as his main role was to keep bringing Beric back and the Lord of Light will be finished with him.
I am not sure about Thormund.
I think Jorah will die protecting Dany and I hope he does get to meet Lyanna Mormont sometimes before he dies.
I think the Hound will live to see Sansa and Arya again.
If Jon dies it will not be to the very end of the 8th season.
It is harder to decide Gendry's fate because he is two different characters in the book. If they go beyond the Wall in the books I think it will be Gendry with the Brotherhood especially as Beric is already dead. In the books it will be Edric that takes on the role as Robert's son but he is too young to go beyond the Wall as a fighter.
Edited to add - we also have to take in to account that Gendry's apprenticeship with Tobho Mott might be important. If it is he will survive going beyond the Wall.
We also do not really know the point of Young Griff in the book. Who takes his storyline in the show - Jon, Jorah, Gendry or do they all get some aspects of it? Or is Young Griff not important at all?
I am not sure about Thormund.
I think Jorah will die protecting Dany and I hope he does get to meet Lyanna Mormont sometimes before he dies.
I think the Hound will live to see Sansa and Arya again.
If Jon dies it will not be to the very end of the 8th season.
It is harder to decide Gendry's fate because he is two different characters in the book. If they go beyond the Wall in the books I think it will be Gendry with the Brotherhood especially as Beric is already dead. In the books it will be Edric that takes on the role as Robert's son but he is too young to go beyond the Wall as a fighter.
Edited to add - we also have to take in to account that Gendry's apprenticeship with Tobho Mott might be important. If it is he will survive going beyond the Wall.
We also do not really know the point of Young Griff in the book. Who takes his storyline in the show - Jon, Jorah, Gendry or do they all get some aspects of it? Or is Young Griff not important at all?
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Concerning Gendry i wonder why they brought him back now all of a sudden.. in past seasons he had his place as Melisandre's ritual victim due to his bastard nature but now? For me it can only be to forge Lightbringer in season 8 (if the show goes that route at all), the magical sword that the champion Azor Ahai wields.
However it was very cool to see him again and especially wiedling a warhammer.. the weapon of choice of his father (either by chance or choice, it wasn't made clear in the show).
He needs to go back and have VERY large babies with Brienne - he has something to live for, dammit!!!
I don't know about the book background but I thought the implication was because he is a blacksmith he for knows his way around hammers and he never got any training in swordsmanship which is necessary to survive more than 5 seconds against a trained opponent. The warhammer is thought to be the easiest weapon to use on the medieval battlefield for commoners. ...or it's because of his dad.
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