Spoilers Game of Thrones - Season 7

[FPAlpha]

Also if Dany is going into real battles from now they might think about forging armor for her.. normal arrows might not do much to Drogon but she is quite vulnerable to them and wears no protection (even if she's sitting in a well protected area on a fast moving ride some lucky shot still might make it).

I watched the mini documentary about the production of the battle and it's insane what they had to do to get the visuals they wanted.. the whole production seems to rival a military campaign in complexity and they do it on a very tight schedule. Impressive.

 

[dahj]

There seems to be an inner battle in Denerys' mind behind her insane bloodlust

Her what now?

 

[KennyB]

However, she kept training while she was on the run with the Hound and she did learn some foot work with the Waif during the blind training.

Yes I thought she showed some of the styles from all her teachers, the water dance, the ninja moves she learned at The House of the Black and White, and I seem to recall the Hound telling her to attack low, "never attack the armor"..........it was very cool to see them all come together.

 

[Venardhi]

She's probably killed or ordered killed more people than anyone else on the show at this point, even including Cersei's pyrotechnic display last season.

 

[dahj]

She's probably killed or ordered killed more people than anyone else on the show at this point, even including Cersei's pyrotechnic display last season.

And that makes her more "insane" and "bloodlusty"?

 

[FPAlpha]

I don't believe it's insane bloodlust.. itt's more like coldblooded and ruthless. The people she killed or had killed all deserved it one way or the other.. the Slave Masters for obvious reasons and the Khals for being merciless savage killers that terrorize the region.

Her using Drogon on the Lannister soldiers is war and i don't think she derives satisfaction from it, it simply needs to be done to accomplish her goals of becoming a benevolent ruler (though sometimes a little bit of Targaryen breaks through, especially her anger about Jon not bending his knee).

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

For a "medieval era" ruler, Danaerys seems very enlightened in some respects but is hidebound by her beliefs in divine right to rule and offering a binary choice of survive or fry with regard to loyalty. Jon Snow has gotten off lightly.

 

[Grendelsbayne]

For a "medieval era" ruler, Danaerys seems very enlightened in some respects but is hidebound by her beliefs in divine right to rule and offering a binary choice of survive or fry with regard to loyalty. Jon Snow has gotten off lightly.

Maybe I've forgotten too much of the previous seasons but I don't remember her putting that choice to anyone who wasn't already in the process of actively fighting against her. In those situations I wouldn't really interpret it as 'divine right to rule' so much as 'stop fighting me, or I'll be forced to do something permanent'. Which is fairly par for the course for most governments, especially medieval ones.

Were there any other examples of people who refused to bend the knee yet weren't actually fighting against her like Jon Snow?

 

[theenglish]

Before this season, she wasn't in Westeros. Dani never believed that she was a queen in the eastern continent by birthright. She had to earn all of her followers--as referred to in the episode, she was the queen they chose.

In Westeros, it is different. She believes that she is queen of the seven kingdoms and that Jon Snow, by claiming to be King of the North, is a traitor to what is hers by right.

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

With neither Christianity nor democratic Athens (limited as it was to males born there) being part of Westeros' history, we shouldn't expect Daenerys to adopt solutions with which we would feel comfortable.

 

[Grendelsbayne]

Before this season, she wasn't in Westeros. Dani never believed that she was a queen in the eastern continent by birthright. She had to earn all of her followers--as referred to in the episode, she was the queen they chose.

In Westeros, it is different. She believes that she is queen of the seven kingdoms and that Jon Snow, by claiming to be King of the North, is a traitor to what is hers by right.

Exactly. And she still has the intelligence and decency to understand his position and try to win him over diplomatically rather than execute him as a traitor. Doesn't sound all that hidebound to me, regardless of whether his refusal irritates her.

 

[M.A.C.O.]

Rickon Stark got a sort of nod from Arya of "he's not here too", when Sansa mentions Bran has returned. It's a blink and you miss it, because the scene is so quick, but Maisie's face portrays it.

Tommen was mentioned once by Jamie and quickly moved on to other things.

Tommen and Rickon. Too pure for the cruel, cruel world of Westeros and forgotten by those who knew them.

 

[Mr Awe]

I don't believe it's insane bloodlust.. itt's more like coldblooded and ruthless. The people she killed or had killed all deserved it one way or the other.. the Slave Masters for obvious reasons and the Khals for being merciless savage killers that terrorize the region.

Her using Drogon on the Lannister soldiers is war and i don't think she derives satisfaction from it, it simply needs to be done to accomplish her goals of becoming a benevolent ruler (though sometimes a little bit of Targaryen breaks through, especially her anger about Jon not bending his knee).

I'd agree. However, I think we're going to see that tested. I suspect that Cersei will hole up in Kings Landing. No more moving troops for easy pickings. That's off the table now. So, Dany controls the countryside while Cersei controls Kings Landing. They can do a siege, although I'm not sure how effectively they can close the bay. But, even if they can do an effective siege, we're talking about a lot of standing around and waiting while winter is coming. I'd imagine that'll test her patience and could push her to go nuclear against Kings Landing (i.e., to start melting it with dragon fire) and then send in the Dothraki and Unsullied. Lots of bloodshed and damage.

No telling what Cersei would do as her city is being overrun. Mad King part two?

 

[dahj]

Rickon Stark got a sort of nod

Speaking of un-nodded Starks, during the introduction between Dany and Jon she mentions that the last King in the North was Torrhen Stark, and nobody corrects her that the last King was actually Robb.

 

[Mr Awe]

^ Correcting a Queen unnecessarily is not the smartest thing to do!

 

[Grendelsbayne]

Speaking of un-nodded Starks, during the introduction between Dany and Jon she mentions that the last King in the North was Torrhen Stark, and nobody corrects her that the last King was actually Robb.

I don't think there was any need for a correction since everyone knew full well that she was referring to the last (in her eyes) legitimate King in the North. To Daenarys' pov, Robb Stark was just as much of a traitor as Jon Snow.

 

[137th Gebirg]

^^^ Precisely this. She clearly didn't recognize Robb's title any more than she does Jon's.

 

[Snaploud]

I wonder if anybody will bother to ask Dany what happened to her brother (the previous "rightful" leader of the Seven Kingdoms).

Seriously, the track record of the Lannisters and the Targaryens is not good (way too much inbreeding). Putting Dany in charge is not a solution unless she plans to get rid of hereditary rule, which doesn't seem likely.

 

[Grendelsbayne]

Well, it's as much of a solution as putting any other king or queen in charge - more so than most since Dany herself is mostly fair and progressive.

Even if you take the best king or queen you can possibly imagine, hereditary rule will still be just as much of a problem. Good families produce tyrants, too. But, of course, the people in Westeros have almost no idea how to make anything else work at all. (Maybe the Brotherhood can change that?)

And talk of a solution may still be getting ahead of things - we're not sure yet that Westeros will still exist after this winter.

 

[dahj]

^ Correcting a Queen unnecessarily is not the smartest thing to do!

That's why he opted for option number 2, calling her a squabbling child