Spoilers Game of Thrones - Season 7

[Venardhi]

If you're clinically insane, you have no control over your mental faculties. Both sociopaths and psychopaths retain control of their own minds and are therefore not, by definition, insane.

"Insanity" is a skewed perception of reality or morality and objectively irrational behavior. Plenty of insane people are perfectly in control, they just see the world in a way that is unrecognizable to the rest of us.

Keep in mind that we're not just talking about one generation of incest. We're talking about many generations of inbreeding over centuries. That will lead to a number of genetic defects. Regardless, the track record is not good for the Targaryens and Lannisters.

I would be inclined to recommend some requirement that the royals marry commoners, but, given the situation with Jamie and Cersei, that might not be a good enough solution.

As far as we know, the twins are the first example of Lannister incest. Unless you count cousins - which you shouldn't - as studies suggest it has little effect on the kind of genetic abnormalities that arise from the offspring of siblings or parents and children unless done consistently for generations without any introduction of outside genes.

 

[dahj]

I wouldn't worry about Dany+Jon.

One (or both) of them will probably die before they get the chance to have kids

 

[Snaploud]

As far as we know, the twins are the first example of Lannister incest.

My recollection is that the tv show had a line about it having been common for brother and sister Lannisters to wed. Someone else will have to confirm if my memory is faulty, though.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

My recollection is that the tv show had a line about it having been common for brother and sister Lannisters to wed. Someone else will have to confirm if my memory is faulty, though.

The show has said that about Targaryens but I don't think it said that about Lannisters, and I recently watched the whole show again.

 

[Snaploud]

The show has said that about Targaryens but I don't think it said that about Lannisters, and I recently watched the whole show again.

Okay. I couldn't find anything online either, so my recollection must be faulty. My mistake. Though, the concern still holds regarding the Targaryens.

 

[DigificWriter]

The show has used the fact that the Targaryens engaged in incest as justification for Jaime and Cersei engaging in incest, but never has it said that incest was something that was common amongst Houses OTHER than the Targaryens.

 

[Snaploud]

Yeah, the references I'm seeing online only mention some cousins, which I agree doesn't present the same concerns.

 

[Miss Chicken]

Though it technically isn't incest Tywin's wife, Joanna, was his first cousin.

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

I wouldn't worry about Dany+Jon.

One (or both) of them will probably die before they get the chance to have kids

I thought Danaerys was rendered unable to have children after she lost Drogo's child. My recollection might be faulty though.

 

[Reverend]

As has been pointed out, marriage and progeny between cousins is hardly unusual in an aristocracy, what with those being the preferred methods of cementing alliances.

Okay. I couldn't find anything online either, so my recollection must be faulty. My mistake. Though, the concern still holds regarding the Targaryens.

I think what you're probably remembering is the exchange between Ned & Cersei when he confronts her what what he knows. She says something to the effect of "the Targaryens wed brother to sister for centuries to keep the bloodline pure, why should Jamie and I be any different?"

 

[dahj]

I thought Danaerys was rendered unable to have children after she lost Drogo's child. My recollection might be faulty though.

Unsure to the extent of the curse way back in Season 1, but this is a universe where one can recover even from a pesky knife wound to the heart...

 

[Scout101]

I thought Danaerys was rendered unable to have children after she lost Drogo's child. My recollection might be faulty though.

Just like the old gypsy lady said.

Wait, that's Archer, but yeah, basically what was said. Dunno if she was on the forefront of modern medicine, or just an old kook in a tent, though, so who knows?

 

[dahj]

Since they made a point of Dany noticing the "knife to the heart" line from Davos it's only a matter of time before we get a barechested Jon in a scene with her so she can notice the scar as well.

And winter is here, he ain't gonna be barechested because the weather's nice...

 

[137th Gebirg]

IIRC, it was a full-on Julius Ceasar multi-scar stabbing. The kid did the final push to the heart, finishing Jon off.

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

I expect Grey Worm to get his mojo back at some point because magic. Same for Danaerys? Maybe Jon's penis now has magic powers. After all, Bran has become a creepy version of Charles Xavier, Arya is shapeshifter version of Wonder Woman, and Sansa has become Little Miss Sarcastic.

 

[Venardhi]

Unsure to the extent of the curse way back in Season 1, but this is a universe where one can recover even from a pesky knife wound to the heart...

I seem to recall she says something about the dragons being the only children she will ever have in season 2(?) during the terrible dragon kidnapping plot.

This is one of those things that the books were able to make much more explicit, which makes a small detail in her last chapter all the more interesting.

 

[UssGlenn]

If Dany becomes Queen and can't produce an heir, isn't there just going to be another war when she dies in a few decades?

 

[dahj]

This is one of those things that the books were able to make much more explicit, which makes a small detail in her last chapter all the more interesting.

Can't remember, do the earlier books say she can't have children?
(I've been meaning to reread the books for a while now, was waiting till the release date for TWoW was announced, but who knows when that will be... )

If Dany becomes Queen and can't produce an heir, isn't there just going to be another war when she dies in a few decades?

She can name an heir.
Only one option really.
Lyanna Mormont.

 

[Venardhi]

Well, Dany's last chapter has opened back up the possibility she can have a child after all. For the show though, that is a concern that has yet to be addressed, though presumably if she were popular enough she could name an heir with a royal decree as easily as legitimizing a bastard or disinheriting a son has been done in the past.

 

[Venardhi]

Can't remember, do the earlier books say she can't have children?

The books have her repeatedly mull over the fact that she seems to be infertile, with those thoughts often returning to Mirri Maz Duur's curse on her.