Game Of Thrones Season 5 TV Only Discussion (Spoilers)

[slappy]

There's an undeniable fact that people continuously fail to grasp or refuse to accept about Game of thrones. When this show is finally over, people will realize I was right.

The White Walkers are the heroes of Game Of Thrones.

Let it sink in. The White Walkers are the only truly "noble" characters on the show. Their motivations and goals are absolutely simple and pure. They want every living person on the planet dead and under their control. They will not lie to you or betray you. Nothing they do is personal. They don't care about your wives, your kids, your young or your old. Their job is to kill and your job is to die.

There's actually alot to admire in the clarity of that.

 

[slappy]

Where the hell was Ghost when Jon was being Ides of Marched anyway? He saves Sam from a beating, but not his soulmate from murder?

The dire wolves have been a HUGE disaapointment for me all thru the show. They had such coolness-factor promise, but they're damn near pointless.

They're wolves, not a get-out-of-death free card.

 

[Karzak]

Still don't care about Meereen and rather disappointed that it seems like we're gonna see more of it. get off your ass and go conquering already, you stupid white haired twat

Wow. Tell us how you really feel.

I suffered of a whole book of Daenerys just sitting there and being ineffectual at ruling and it was waaaay longer, waaay more repetitive and waaaay more painful than on the show.

You can't imagine my trauma . I always hoped that perhaps the next chapter she'd finally leave that blasted city behind or the one after that. But she never did. She.Never.Did There were pages pon pages with practically nothing at all happening; pages upon pages, upon pages and then you turn the page, thinking it's over only to see that she will have baths, oogle Daario's ass and be upset over Meereen resisting her reforms for another 50 pages.

The TV version was fast-paced and action-packed in comparison.

How terrible for you!

 

[JirinPanthosa]

I hope Brienne killed Stannis. It would seem out of character if she didn't, and also, Stannis is not a compelling character.

Ghost is probably locked up.

Why all the fixation on Stannis being the rightful heir? Nobody cares except Stannis. I don't know how you could possibly see genocidal murder-creatures as protagonists.

 

[Bisz]

Stannis is not a compelling character.

...uhh, Stannis is a fan favourite. He is a very compelling character to many people, both book readers and show watchers.

 

[Garak]

Stannis was a weak man who was led on by a sorceress - who couldn't even get her premonitions right - to do things that made him look like a madman.

He was compelling in the utter failure and disaster he became.

 

[FPAlpha]

Stannis is not a compelling character.

...uhh, Stannis is a fan favourite. He is a very compelling character to many people, both book readers and show watchers.

Is he?

Maybe the books manage a better job of making him likeable but in the show he was one of the dullest characters ever.

A guy who blindly follows a religious fanatic, obeys her word and is willing to murder innocents to become king and his crowning achievement is to burn his own daughter at the advice of the religious nut (whom he had sex with to produce a sort of demon to kill his young brother).

That's as far away from favorite as it can get, at least for me.

 

[Orphalesion]

Stannis is not a compelling character.

...uhh, Stannis is a fan favourite. He is a very compelling character to many people, both book readers and show watchers.

Never cared for him. Though I also never cared for Jon or Arya prior to the House of the Black and White.

However that's one of the advantages of GoT lots of characters, everybody can find a favourite.

How terrible for you!
{Sansa being very un-ladylike}

Ouch that really hurt, now I must go to my tumbler and write depressing poetry about it.

There's an undeniable fact that people continuously fail to grasp or refuse to accept about Game of thrones. When this show is finally over, people will realize I was right.

The White Walkers are the heroes of Game Of Thrones.

Let it sink in. The White Walkers are the only truly "noble" characters on the show. Their motivations and goals are absolutely simple and pure. They want every living person on the planet dead and under their control. They will not lie to you or betray you. Nothing they do is personal. They don't care about your wives, your kids, your young or your old. Their job is to kill and your job is to die.

There's actually alot to admire in the clarity of that.

I would not agree with calling omnicidal entities "noble". Noble people don't just go out and slaughter innocents who have never done anything to hurt them to lord over them.
If we start calling them "noble" then the Cylons are noble, Sauron is noble, the Borg are noble etc.

They are determent in their goal and you can choose to admire that. However not everybody will agree with that.

Is he?

Maybe the books manage a better job of making him likeable but in the show he was one of the dullest characters ever.

A guy who blindly follows a religious fanatic, obeys her word and is willing to murder innocents to become king and his crowning achievement is to burn his own daughter at the advice of the religious nut (whom he had sex with to produce a sort of demon to kill his young brother).

That's as far away from favorite as it can get, at least for me.

He was fairly popular among my circle of friends prior to sacrificing Shireen. Also there were those internet memes about "Stannis the Manice" and "Stan the Man"
For a while I did think he'd make a decent king.

 

[Cyrus]

I liked Stannis and thought he would make a good king. But I am happy with how the Stannis storyline concluded in the last episode. His sacrifice of his daughter backfired on him as half his army deserted. Boltons attacking instead of setting up for a siege was a nice surprise and a logical move. And Stannis getting killed by noble Brienne (instead of crazy Ramsey) was a good ending for him.

With Stannis gone, who else is a viable contender for the Iron Throne? Is khaleesi the only one left? Can't see Tommen lasting long there.

 

[Ryan8bit]

It kinda makes you wonder if when Tommen dies, provided that's sooner rather than later, who would have the legal right to claim the throne now.

 

[Nightdiamond]

Stannis has always been an oddball, polarizing character. He's one of those characters that starts off quiet then ends up in the forefront.

He can't be boring now. Everybody is talking about him.


One thing this show has proven, GOT throws swerves and almost never does what you expect.

Here are some crazy, wild card scenarios that just might happen:

--- Myrcella did not die. Jaime had the antidote with him. Or Bronn has it with him.

---- Ser Jorah is actually angry with Dany and her entourage and returned to deliberately infect them with Greyscale.

----- Brienne spared Stannis. He's the only "rightful" king she knows of now. But she wants revenge on Melisandre. She and Stannis meet up with Sansa and Theon and head for the wall.

-- Brienne swung, but Stannis was protected by magic, courtesy of Shireen's sacrifice..

----- Jon lives. Sam went off to be Maestar (Skills Jon might need later). Melisandre is there. Sana and theon are heading to the wall. Brienne and Stannis are heading there. The wall is going to be a big launching point next season.

----Sansa finds out she's pregnant while heading towards the wall.

----Margaery finds out she's pregnant while in prison. War with Dorne and House Tyrell against King's Landing.

 

[Bisz]

It kinda makes you wonder if when Tommen dies, provided that's sooner rather than later, who would have the legal right to claim the throne now.

If Tommen were to die without an heir of his own then we go back up the Baratheon family tree and see who is Robert's heir at this point. With Both Stannis and Renley dead with no heirs it would be some more obscure Baratheon, probably a cousin or uncle of Robert's.

 

[Bisz]

Stannis is not a compelling character.

...uhh, Stannis is a fan favourite. He is a very compelling character to many people, both book readers and show watchers.

Is he?

Yes.

Maybe the books manage a better job of making him likeable but in the show he was one of the dullest characters ever.

And yes again; the books, as is almost always the cases, do a much better job at developing the characters, settings, and events.

I think the show does deserve credit for building up Stannis in the same way the books did. At the start he's just seen as one of the Five Kings, a stern man who we very much perceive to be just like Renly describes him to be - not too flatteringly. It is over time that he develops into the only one of the Five Kings, and one of only a handful of people in the entire realm, to give two shits about the Wall and what is coming down on it. I don't remember if the line made it to the show, but in the book he has a great one:

Lord Seaworth is a man of humble birth, but he reminded me of my duty, when all I could think of was my rights. I had the cart before the horse, Davos said. I was trying to win the throne to save the kingdom, when I should have been trying to save the kingdom to win the throne.

 

[FPAlpha]

It kinda makes you wonder if when Tommen dies, provided that's sooner rather than later, who would have the legal right to claim the throne now.

Who's left of "Robert's" kids?

Joffrey dead, Myrcella most likely dead and Tommen is a boy and weak so he won't last long.

Such a situation with no clear heir would lead back to a civil war and the last big family are the Tyrells because all the others have annihilated each other during the last war and the Lannisters are without firm leadership.

So it's might makes right again.

 

[sidious618]

I'd be surprised if there even is an Iron Throne by the end of this.

 

[137th Gebirg]

Dany needs to get her ass back to Westeros. They're all in the perfect state for conquest with such a vacuum of leadership in the realm. Not much of a wheel to break any more.

 

[Booji]

With Stannis gone, who else is a viable contender for the Iron Throne? Is khaleesi the only one left? Can't see Tommen lasting long there.

Davos! Seriously though, I'm starting to think he makes it out alive and ends up on the future kings small council.

 

[Karzak]

It kinda makes you wonder if when Tommen dies, provided that's sooner rather than later, who would have the legal right to claim the throne now.

Who's left of "Robert's" kids?

Joffrey dead, Myrcella most likely dead and Tommen is a boy and weak so he won't last long.

Such a situation with no clear heir would lead back to a civil war and the last big family are the Tyrells because all the others have annihilated each other during the last war and the Lannisters are without firm leadership.

So it's might makes right again.

There's always his innumerable bastards out there.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

The only character left who'd actually make a good king is Tyrion.

I'm surprised how many people care so much that Stannis is the 'Rightful' King. Don't we all live in a culture based on the complete rejection of hereditary monarchy? Nobody in the show other than Ned Stark has ever expressed concern about the line of succession except when it benefits them. Lords side with whoever they think is going to win or whoever promises them the best perks, peasants side with whoever is currently keeping their city from being sacked.

Even a 'Legal' right to claim the throne is only legal because the guys with the biggest armies say it is. Goffrey's right to the throne is no less rightful than any other tyrant who has to rule by force.

Stannis would have been a fine King, before he met Melisandre. Under her influence he would be a horrible King. And all he's ever done on the show is invade cities, execute people and beg for allies. And I don't find the actor very charismatic.

I don't see how Myrcella could survive, unless Bronn's beautiful woman warned him off and slipped him some antidote. I suppose Bronn is smart enough that after he was poisoned he could have grabbed some antidote just in case. I suppose if Cersei's prophecy is correct she can't die until she gets her gloden crown.

Sansa and Margery being pregnant are both very plausible. If Jorah was angry at Dany she wouldn't have fought to protect her only to infect her with a terrible but curable disease.

I think Sansa is going to meet up with Brienne early next season.

 

[Skywalker]

Most of Robert's bastards were probably killed on Joffrey's order back in Season Two. I think technically Gendry is the closest thing the Baratheons have to an heir, as Robert's eldest known bastard. But without a king to legitimize him I don't know if he'd gain much of a following, assuming he ever wanted to try and make a play for the Iron Throne (and he really didn't seem like the type who craves power).