Game Of Thrones Season 5 TV Only Discussion (Spoilers)

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There's a lot of different resurrections going around in GOT.. Only constant is that resurrected person is always changed somehow. I wouldnt be surprised if there was one still coming.

But where was Ghost?? Couldnt they have shown Ghost somewhere in the background locked in a cage or in Jon's room?

 

[Cyrus]

Big question is what's gonna happen to Ghost?? I was hoping for a second there he might come to the rescue and rip that little shit Olly's throat out.

I am glad I am not the only one that finds him annoying. The little shit killed Ygritte and Jon and probably feels like a hero. Ghost attacking him would have been great.

 

[Orphalesion]

Not to mention that he was way too good and noble a guy to survive for long in this world anyway; the idea that he would somehow survive til the end doesn't seem remotely realistic to me.

That's another overstated cliche that, I think, originates solely with Ned getting executed while being surrounded with Cersei, (Season 1-)Jaime, Robert, Littlefinger and Joffrey.

Last time I looked Sam, Bran, Brienne, Arya, Sansa and Tyrion were in no danger of being dying, despite being good and noble people.

How so? She hasn't resurrected the dead before. Only Thoris of Myr has done that, and it was only one person he kept resurrecting (on the TV show, at least). I doubt Thoris or Melisandre could bring back any random person.

There we see how bad a job the show does in explaining stuff. They probably couldn't fit a scene where Littlefinger tells his whores about R'Hllor while spanking them. Though to be fair to them there are truckloads of lore in ASoIaF, that would be difficult to fit into a show.
Melisandre and Thoris both are priests of the Lord of Light (R'Hllor) Thoris' power comes from his god (he says he's only the vessel) so it stands to reason that Melisandre could do the same.
As to resurrection any random person...they actually could, but it's not a "proper" life they are resurrecting the dead to, Beric, the guy Thoris resurrected seven times had lost most of his memories and was seriously messed up. Messed up in the "I think I don't have a soul anymore and the void hungers for me" sense. It also seems resurrected people are forever trapped in the mindset they had at the moment of their death.
And don't forget that Melisandre is looking for the savior foretold by her religion, who will save the world from the "Long Night" and the invasion of the Wight Walkers. She thought it was Stannis for long, which was the only reason she helped him, however note how interested she was in Jon...

They'll probably dump the unused Lady Ironheart storyline on Jon... with a bit of tweaking. He's not dead. There's too much written about the bloodline of Jon, who the mother was etc to let it go now. His death in the books isn't very final.

Stannis' death was so obvious from the start of the season. Just like Robb Stark's demise in season three there was a long stretch of oh-so boring episodes which usually means they're padding to leave the death scene to the very end.

^This.

Does anyone give two shits about the King's Landing storylines anymore? All the interesting characters are elsewhere on Westeros. Same for Dany. Wish one of the dragons would just devour her.

^Also this. I still care what happens to Margaery, but beyond that? King's Landing died when they removed Joffrey, Sansa, Tyrion and Tywin from it. The "Wacky Adventures of Kooky Queen Cersei" are not entertaining.
And yes on Dany as well. Meereen needs to burn.

 

[FPAlpha]

Big question is what's gonna happen to Ghost?? I was hoping for a second there he might come to the rescue and rip that little shit Olly's throat out.

I am glad I am not the only one that finds him annoying. The little shit killed Ygritte and Jon and probably feels like a hero. Ghost attacking him would have been great.

I don't get this at all, to me the story of Olly is very sad.

He had to watch his parents gruesomely murdered by Wildlings and then he finds a new "family" where suddenly their leader openly invites the very same murderers, in fact he pardons the very man who killed his father, through the wall to settle on the land where once his village stood for political and geostrategic reasons.

Tell me how you would react?

Jon's biggest mistake ever was totally ignoring the underlying feelings of the Night's Watch and failing to address them properly.
What he did was strategically a very good move but he trusted former murderers, rapists and general criminals to have the same vision as he and fall in.

Jon might have been a good strategist and very capable battle commander but he was a bad leader and he paid the price.

 

[JoeZhang]

But as for HBO’s hit series, the show’s team is taking the public stance that Jon is dead. Harington was pretty firm about it in our interview.

Weiss noted that when filming a show or movie, the ambiguity of Martin’s final Dance with Dragons chapter is tougher to pull off—a producer typically has to clearly commit to a character’s fate, one way or the other. “In a book, you can present that kind of ambiguity,” Weiss said. “In a show, everybody sees it for what it is. It’s that rule: ‘If don’t see the body then they’re not really dead.’

Like when we cut Ned’s head off, we didn’t want a gory Monty Python geyser of blood, but we needed to see the blade enter his neck and cut out on the frame where the blade was mid-neck—it was longest discussion ever of where to cut a frame; two hours of talking about whether to cut at frame six or frame seven or frame eight. And that’s all by way of saying we needed Ned’s death to be totally unambiguous. I remember reading the book and going back and forth, like, ‘Did I miss something? Was [Ned] swapped out for somebody else?’ There’s a level of ambiguity because you’re not seeing something starkly represented. In the book, you can write around things to preserve a certain level of mystery that you have to commit to on screen.”

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/06/14/game-thrones-jon-snow-really-dead

Stannis?

 

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Watched Jon's death again. Do you think that increasing light on Jon's face when camera zooms in is just dramatic lightning or meant to be a clue about something else? There's even little I guess it might be little bit both. There's even tiny pin lights that appear in Jon's eyes as the camera zooms in on him.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

If Stannis was spared by Brienne it will be because she thinks she can use him in her mission to protect Sansa. Maybe she chopped the tree he was leaning against to terrify him and let out her rage. Can't really think what use he would be but Brienne is stubborn enough to have a wounded Stannis thrown over her horse and drag him on a multiple episode journey of boringness for some scheme.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Watched Jon's death again. Do you think that increasing light on Jon's face when camera zooms in is just dramatic lightning or meant to be a clue about something else? There's even little I guess it might be little bit both. There's even tiny pin lights that appear in Jon's eyes as the camera zooms in on him.

I noticed that too and fancifully thought it was the reflection of the light at the end of the tunnel that people see when dying.

But ya know it might be THE LORD OF LIGHT (yawn).

I expect him to be not.dead.

 

[FPAlpha]

Yeah, that was odd for a show that doesn't shy away from incest, bloody battles including chopped off limbs and much more.

I can't think of a single reason why Brienne would spare Stannis so why the sudden modesty? Minutes later we see Ramsay Bolton stab a surrendering soldier with glee so there has to be something with Stannis.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Maybe Stannis is such a shitlord that he's not worth a deathscene.

 

[Beagleman]

Yeah, that was odd for a show that doesn't shy away from incest, bloody battles including chopped off limbs and much more.

I can't think of a single reason why Brienne would spare Stannis so why the sudden modesty? Minutes later we see Ramsay Bolton stab a surrendering soldier with glee so there has to be something with Stannis.

I can think of endless reasons, he is the rightful heir to the Iron Throne who until the events of the day might just have conquered the north... He must be worth quite a bit to a lot of different parties, espacially the Boltons, more than Sansa perhaps...

 

[Lonemagpie]

So, all I can think is it must be the actors' contract negotiation time - so many "are they or aren't they" cliffhangers in one episode...

My guesses- Jon is, but will get brought back by the convenient Red Priestess hanging around. Sansa and Theon survive but probably crippled. Stannis... could go either way, depending on whether Brienne's brain cells kicked in at the last second and overrode her impulses or not.

Or, indeed, depending on how available the relevant cast members are!

 

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What was the status of Isaac Hempstead-Wright's contract this season? Probably no contract since he wasnt in any episodes?

Could the same happen for Kit Harrington? Off contract for one or half season and then back for last half of season 6. That way they could keep his appearances even more of an secret.

 

[Roshi]

Watched Jon's death again. Do you think that increasing light on Jon's face when camera zooms in is just dramatic lightning or meant to be a clue about something else? There's even little I guess it might be little bit both. There's even tiny pin lights that appear in Jon's eyes as the camera zooms in on him.

I noticed that too and fancifully thought it was the reflection of the light at the end of the tunnel that people see when dying.

But ya know it might be THE LORD OF LIGHT (yawn).

I expect him to be not.dead.

Glad I'm not the only one who noticed that. I was clearly expecting "warging white" eyes one second after.

 

[FPAlpha]

Yeah, that was odd for a show that doesn't shy away from incest, bloody battles including chopped off limbs and much more.

I can't think of a single reason why Brienne would spare Stannis so why the sudden modesty? Minutes later we see Ramsay Bolton stab a surrendering soldier with glee so there has to be something with Stannis.

I can think of endless reasons, he is the rightful heir to the Iron Throne who until the events of the day might just have conquered the north... He must be worth quite a bit to a lot of different parties, espacially the Boltons, more than Sansa perhaps...

Since when was Brienne interested in money?

To me it's also dubious that Brienne would give a half dead Stannis in exchange for Sansa who's now far more valuable to the Boltons (at least until she has "produced" a few heirs) so a trade is questionable.

Personally she has far more reason to hate Stannis than anybody because he started her downward slide by assassinating Renly through blood magic thus making her either an incompetent in general opinion or a liar.

It doesn't matter that she had little to no chance to save Renly because the real reason is impossible to prove.

So i'm wondering what the producers have planned if Stannis really isn't dead (and Brienne doesn't even know that he burned his own daughter as a sacrifice for victory, she might just gift Stannis to the Boltons and watch him being skinned alive).

 

[Locutus of Bored]

I would love to know what happened to Edmure tully?

Tobias Menzies is off carrying on the Westeros traditions of rape, torture, and full-frontal nudity (and somehow managing to make Game of Thrones look restrained by comparison) in 18th century Scotland on Outlander.

As far as Edmure himself, last we heard of him, he was being held as a "hostage" by Walder Frey (to discourage retaliation for the Red Wedding, though I don't think anyone really cares about Eddie) and married to Frey's one hot daughter.

Jon's biggest mistake ever was totally ignoring the underlying feelings of the Night's Watch and failing to address them properly.

What he did was strategically a very good move but he trusted former murderers, rapists and general criminals to have the same vision as he and fall in.

Jon might have been a good strategist and very capable battle commander but he was a bad leader and he paid the price.

What else was he supposed to do, though? He explained his position, but the Night's Watch were (mostly) set in their ways and unwilling to adapt to the new reality the White Walkers created. They're a bunch of criminals, low lifes, and fuck ups who have been given one chance at redemption in holding off the Wildlings, and now Jon is taking that away from them (which is the right thing to do, but try telling that to a bunch of fanatics).

If he had months or years under his command to make his case, and some of the old guard started being transferred or dying off in favor of the new, then maybe he could have made a dent, but it was a time sensitive issue and Jon had to make a judgement call. He chose to address the bigger threat and hope that the Night's Watch would do their duty.

It's not as if he was unaware of his unpopularity or the precariousness of his position. Just consider his look of dread while waiting for the gate to open at The Wall, or the conversation he had with Sam before sending him off the Old Town. He's fully cognizant of the fact that this whole endeavor can come crashing down on his head at any moment, but the White Walker threat has literally left him no choice but to act swiftly and decisively, and to have faith that his "brothers" would reluctantly do the right thing in the end. They did not.

Yeah, that was odd for a show that doesn't shy away from incest, bloody battles including chopped off limbs and much more.

I can't think of a single reason why Brienne would spare Stannis so why the sudden modesty? Minutes later we see Ramsay Bolton stab a surrendering soldier with glee so there has to be something with Stannis.

I can think of endless reasons, he is the rightful heir to the Iron Throne who until the events of the day might just have conquered the north... He must be worth quite a bit to a lot of different parties, espacially the Boltons, more than Sansa perhaps...

Ooh, good idea, if Stannis is still alive I could definitely see Brienne try and kill two birds with one stone by fulfilling both her oaths and trading Stannis to Ramsey in exchange for Sansa. Of course, given that Ramsey doesn't have Sansa anymore (unless he recaptures her and Reek because they're lying right outside Winterfell with broken legs ), that deal would likely go bad for Brienne and result in her death.

 

[Forbin]

Where the hell was Ghost when Jon was being Ides of Marched anyway? He saves Sam from a beating, but not his soulmate from murder?

The dire wolves have been a HUGE disaapointment for me all thru the show. They had such coolness-factor promise, but they're damn near pointless.

 

[137th Gebirg]

^^^ They could way to easily be used as a Deus ex Machina device to get anyone out of trouble. That's probably also why the show-runners have chosen to decrease the amount of magical activity being shown in the world that should be growing. It could too easily used to defuse drama and tension. More frequent explanations would need to be written in for why something magical should/could not be done and the story gets bogged down by bullshit "we can't use the transporter to beam them out because the interspatial framostat is malfunctioning" nonsensical babble. In the case of Ghost, they could have arguably shown a couple seconds of him freaking out in the kennels where he was kept while all this was going on, much in the same way they showed Robb's direwolf at the Twins (without getting shot, of course).

Akin to the missing characters that are simply not talked about, evidence of magical activities and creatures is severely curbed. Out of sight, out of mind...

 

[Bisz]

The only part I hated was rather than tell Brienne to do her duty I would have wanted him to throw in her face SHE broke the lines of succession. Renly was NEVER the rightful king of the seven kingdoms as she stated. Stannis was older. He is the rightful heir to Robert (assuming there wasnt some secret document legitimizing Gendry)

The pedant in me agrees with you. But it's more Stannis-ish for him to just grind his teeth and tell her to do her duty.

 

[137th Gebirg]

^^^ This. Stannis definitely went out the way I would have expected him to go, although I'm not entirely sure how he managed to get himself away from the vanguard of his army with oncoming heavy horse into the tree line. He should have been the first to get trampled. That aside, while he might not have agreed with her mission, he undeniably respected it and knew she had to do what she set out to do, as he would have done nothing less. He, too, was a creature of habit and gave all to his Mission and, in those final moments, he was Stannis Baratheon, and not some willing lackey of R'llhor or his Red Woman. I found the scene to be quite poignant, actually.

Hopefully, he will stay dead, and hopefully Brienne has the wherewithal to burn the body. If the Others do come rushing over the Wall, it would be interesting to see Stannis reappear with glowing blue eyes along with the rest of his defeated infantry.